Does the golden rule save without the cross?

[mfblume]

Anyone else want to chime in on the kindred error that thinks the good Samaritan shows people with no knowledge of the cross of Jesus are saved by doing good to their neighbours, as the recent crossless gospel perpetrated on this forum has pushed for the last few months, ?

Jesus obviously is not teaching us one can be saved by these good works of the good Samaritan, but that people saved by the blood of Jesus simply need to do those good works..

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So Christ without His cross is okay to you?

Not Paul:

1 Cor 2: 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

...NOT JUST CHRIST.

Christ without the Cross is a Satanic doctrine spewed forth from the mouth of the abyss.

[shazeep]

well, so is being a bigot, no matter what is on your t shirt. Talking about how much you love the Cross is irrelevant when you argue with Christ every chance you get, imo. You guys are aware that even people like Hitler brought the Bible out when it suited them, right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, so is being a bigot,

Has nothing to do with bigotry, it has all to do with facts that Jesus said it was a narrow way and a tight gate which leads to eternal life with few fining it. The Apostle Paul telling us that if himself, or an angel of heaven preach any other gospel (which there is no other) let that person be cursed from gaining eternal life. No bigotry, no malice, no hate, nothing like your slander would come close to. But Biblical truth WARNING US against teaching or believing false doctrine. You want to be a blind guide leading people to a pit that's your prerogative.

Originally Posted by shazeep

no matter what is on your t shirt. Talking about how much you love the Cross is irrelevant when you argue with Christ every chance you get, imo.

That's just it, it's not about your opinion. You or I have no opinions in this. Even a Baptist, even a Muslim would NEVER agree with your all inclusive teaching. Listen you are a bit odd, and need some help. But you are full of yourself and are headed to your own destruction.

Originally Posted by shazeep

You guys are aware that even people like Hitler brought the Bible out when it suited them, right.

But, isn't that what you are also doing?

I know you want to be the person who you see in memes. The Social Justice Warrior ready to defend the weak and defenceless. But, the news is this, you aren't helping anyone, but making your self feel good while all around you burns and dies.

Gross.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But, isn't that what you are also doing?

is it? why is it then that you can state this rhetorically now, but would not engage when the question was being forthrightly examined? So let's do it now then--you justify "Judge others, do not judge yourselves," and then i will refute it as best i am able.

[mfblume]

Everything Jesus said pointed to his Cross. And the true fruit came out with the denial of the cross when others say they would not tell Muslims about the cross. That is denial of everything Jesus said. Accusations of gutless fly from a personally attacking and non-charitable heart full of insult. But look who voted and who did not.

[shazeep]

look, i only refrain 'gutless' because that is where it is located. Actually i wish i had used a different word now, as it does not reflect well. truly, i wish we were anonymous here, and i give you much credit for having the courage of your convictions. Cold is better than lukewarm. But the preponderance remains that there are several places in which this hypocrisy has been shown to be undefendable, or, if you disagree, we can only go back to them and see. This is completely up to you, and we can do it however you like.

Or if you prefer, just start over, and give your very best defense of

Judge others, do not judge yourselves

and i will do my best to reply in a hundred words or less.

[mfblume]

Shazeep, I said this many times, and even focused an entire thread on the topic.

(I appreciate your willingless to admit your use of words was wrong. And I am genuinely sorry if I offended you. )

To the point: "Judge others, do not judge yourselves" does not cover the issue of pointing to the bible and noting a verse that says, for example, belief and baptism saves, and applying it to those who do not fulfill that and saying they're not saved. It is a focus NOT ON PERSONS, to bring in the issue of superiority or whatever, but on simple FACTS and OBJECTIVE notes that we do not have to know anyone to apply this passage to them, since it is not their person but their belief that is the issue.

So, our whole basis of what is "judging" is simply fundamentally different.

This is the reason I tried to focus on the core differences with you, but you felt I was being insulting after we did quite well for a while and I was distinctly and honestly not intending any insult. So it ended.

I think people need to learn that reading words on a screen does not relate the nuances of tone in the voice and inflection of voice that says far more in one's words than the actual words. And I in no way feel superior to or better than anyone who has not obeyed what I see the bible telling us to obey.

I repeated over and over it is NOT a confession or altar activity I look to, but God's view of the HEART in the issue of BELIEF. But that goes unnoticed and denied.

I believed you when you stated your clarifications, and YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME when I state mine. So, until I see evidence of that changing, there is no discussion to be had.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

is it? why is it then that you can state this rhetorically now, but would not engage when the question was being forthrightly examined? So let's do it now then--you justify "Judge others, do not judge yourselves," and then i will refute it as best i am able.

You are a crazy person.

Do not judge lest ye be judged has absolutely nothing to do with pointing out that someone practicing a demonic religion is going to bust hell wide open. Again, Jesus told us that the way is narrow, the gate is tight, and those who find it will be few. Paul told us that if he or an angel from heaven was to preach anything else other than what was already delivered to the church they were to be cursed. End of story.

[shag]

Just as in the OT the blood was applied over the doors to avoid the death angel, so must the blood of Jesus the spotless Lamb be applied to each of us in the NT, else we cannot have salvation.