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Old 09-12-2019, 04:48 AM
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Sin - first death
Baptism - second death
End of life - third death
Lake of fire - fourth death

Gee...
and 4-5 resurrections
first death = physical
second death=eternal lake of fire (because of sins)
Baptism= Jesus payment for the second death. no?

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Old 09-12-2019, 07:12 AM
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Of course.in order to live again one has to die first.p
We reckon our selfs dead for sin but alive unto God through Jesus.
Our old self died through Christ. We buried our dead self with him at baptism abnd we walk on a new life..
,So we escape second death if we stay in faith and wait for Him . After the first death we will live again , that is first Resturection. While the others will enter second death.
I agree with everything you said except one little part. After the first death we will live again but it's the second Resurrection where we live again. So if you just change that one part that you said above then you and I would agree perfectly.

Yes. We have to die before we can resurrect. But the fact is that all the time when we are sinners we're dead. We're already dead when we first hear the gospel, because we're dead in trespasses and sins. Two things that Jesus experienced according to Ephesians chapter 1 happen to us.

Number one. Jesus was raised from the dead. Ephesians chapter 2 verses 1 to 5 says that even when we were dead in trespasses and sins, God quickened us from the dead.

Number two. Jesus was Seated on the throne above all powers. Well. Eph. Chapter 2 Verse 6 says we were seated together with him in Heavenly places.

And those two points are actually mentioned in Revelation chapter 20 when it says they were Seated on Thrones, and they were a part of the first resurrection. After it mentions the people sitting on Thrones, then it mentions other people that were beheaded, and then it mentions a third people that didn't take the mark of the beast. These are three different groups of people who all have part in the first resurrection. Salvation.

The people Seated on Thrones in Revelation chapter 20 who are part of the first resurrection are the ones who are seated with him in Heavenly places when they're saved. Ephesians chapter 2 talks about us being quickened from the death of trespasses and sins as well as being seated with Jesus, and that all happens in Salvation.

We're already dead in trespasses and sins when we hear the gospel. But when we believe and obey the gospel, we get baptized into Jesus death and we're buried with him in his burial, and then we rise to walk in newness of life. That rising in New Life is the first resurrection.

Then we serve the Lord, and if we died before Jesus comes, our bodies will be raised in the second Resurrection which takes us to the white throne. Those who serve Jesus and are still alive at the second coming, will have their bodies changed from Mortal to immortality ones, and they will rise in the second Resurrection as well.

But the first resurrection in Revelation chapter 20 is salvation. We were dead already in trespasses and sins, and when we hear the gospel and Obey It We rise in Resurrection to walk in newness of life.

The ones seated on Thrones already, before you read about the people beheaded and before you read about the people who don't take the mark of the beast, are the ones who have been saved since the day of Pentecost up until that time. And the ones who are beheaded represent the Old Testament people, because John was beheaded and was the greatest of the Old Testament prophets. John wasn't in the kingdom of God until Jesus actually ascended into heaven and then made atonement, thereby causing all the Old Testament Saints to suddenly be in the kingdom in the first resurrection as well.

And the third group of people who are in the first resurrection of the ones who resisted the mark of the beast. You're saved if you don't take the mark of the beast because you wouldn't take it due to your salvation. That happened in the first century when Nero was commanding everybody to worship him as a God, and made a statue of himself at the Coliseum which was called The Colossus.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:26 AM
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I agree with everything you said except one little After the first death we will live again but it's the second Resurrection where we live again. So if you just change that one part that you said above then you and I would agree perfectly.
All who are dead from Adam to Uncle Joe last night they are in a soul sleep?
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I agree with everything you said except one little After the first death we will live again but it's the second Resurrection where we live again. So if you just change that one part that you said above then you and I would agree perfectly.
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All who are dead from Adam to Uncle Joe last night they are in a soul sleep?
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All who are dead from Adam to Uncle Joe last night they are in a soul sleep?
I don't believe so, personally. I believe that everyone from Adam on through to whoever, as long as they were following the will of God, are not sleeping whatsoever. I believe that they're in Glory right now. when Jesus Christ made atonement like a high priest going into the holiest of holies, all of that applied to those Old Testament Saints and they're very conscious in glory.

And before ad70 ever came around, Paul said that if he was to die, he would be separate from the body and present with the Lord.

So, I believe that since the cross when we die we go right to glory and late the second Resurrection where our bodies will be made immortal.
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I don't believe so, personally. I believe that everyone from Adam on through to whoever, as long as they were following the will of God, are not sleeping whatsoever. I believe that they're in Glory right now. when Jesus Christ made atonement like a high priest going into the holiest of holies, all of that applied to those Old Testament Saints and they're very conscious in glory.

And before ad70 ever came around, Paul said that if he was to die, he would be separate from the body and present with the Lord.

So, I believe that since the cross when we die we go right to glory and late the second Resurrection where our bodies will be made immortal.
we either meet Jesus at death and become immortal, or
we return to dust and at the resurrection become immortal

because the only Ghost is the holy Ghost and we are not him.
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we either meet Jesus at death and become immortal, or
we return to dust and at the resurrection become immortal

because the only Ghost is the holy Ghost and we are not him.
not so simple. Resurrection is when your Spirit/Soul comes back to your body.
I suppose that Hades was a place for the dead spirit (Jesus preached to them too)
(there are many Spirits, every human has one ,Satan is one ,angels are spirits too. Gos the only Holy One Spirit.)
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I don't believe so, personally. I believe that everyone from Adam on through to whoever, as long as they were following the will of God, are not sleeping whatsoever. I believe that they're in Glory right now. when Jesus Christ made atonement like a high priest going into the holiest of holies, all of that applied to those Old Testament Saints and they're very conscious in glory.

And before ad70 ever came around, Paul said that if he was to die, he would be separate from the body and present with the Lord.

So, I believe that since the cross when we die we go right to glory and late the second Resurrection where our bodies will be made immortal.
But yet you said earlier:

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I agree with everything you said except one little part. After the first death we will live again but it's the second Resurrection where we live again.
This proves that in immortal soul doctrine the resurrection is nothing. The dead are NEVER really dead. They are alive rejoicing in the glory of Jesus presence right now!

Even Jesus Christ...NEVER really died!

Matter of fact no human being has EVER died!

The resurrection of the dead is a foundation Christian doctrine. Immortal soul is not.
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The immortal soul doctrine was a pagan /platonic theory adopted by Agustine who was a neo platonist. who had a greek father
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The immortal soul doctrine was a pagan /platonic theory adopted by Agustine who was a neo platonic who had a greek father
While it's true Augustine was a pagan convert to catholicism, and kept some of his pagan beliefs, the pagan immortal soul teaching was apparently already picked up by the Pharisees hundreds of years previously.
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