Disaffiliation with the UPC???? - Page 10

anapko · #91 10-19-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

no. if my pastor decided to go then i think of him as a man with a backbone thats not scared to stand for what he belives. him and his family have been in the upc for 30+ years and they have kept the same stand that they had back then why change it now.

Okay, I get your drift, but what concerns me as to the "Cons" revulsion to resolution 4 is a big misconception. I never got the understanding that the UPC was forcing it's members to go out and buy a tv and force them to watch it! The reaction of the "Cons" is how it appears to me! My comments simply said what are they afraid of? It does sound to me like they are running from a "problem". Their solution, disaffiliation. Your thoughts?

Whole Hearted · #92 10-19-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

no. if my pastor decided to go then i think of him as a man with a backbone thats not scared to stand for what he belives. him and his family have been in the upc for 30+ years and they have kept the same stand that they had back then why change it now.

Praxeas · #93 10-19-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lovinglife

that is a slippery slope........then you will have a church split over what color the new carpet should have been......church should not be treated like a democracy.....however it should not be treated like a dictatorship either....i guess you have to have a balance

I disagree. You can form a committee of church members to decide that stuff. But informing the entire church is not the same as the entire church voting

hometown guy · #94 10-20-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are they against all video use, even to the point of saying it is wrong to own a VCR or a DVD player or any sort of Video player?

we not watch any video(or any type of video t.v ect.) therefore we do not have any need to own a vcr or dvd player.

hometown guy · #95 10-20-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by anapko81

Okay, I get your drift, but what concerns me as to the "Cons" revulsion to resolution 4 is a big misconception. I never got the understanding that the UPC was forcing it's members to go out and buy a tv and force them to watch it! The reaction of the "Cons" is how it appears to me! My comments simply said what are they afraid of? It does sound to me like they are running from a "problem". Their solution, disaffiliation. Your thoughts?

the reason why it is a big deal is because the door that has been opened will lead to other things concerning t.v. we understand that as of now it is only allowing upc pastors to advertise..do you think that the ones that are advertisig are really ever going to preach against it(because the upc is against wathing tv.)no way.we are not afraid of this res. we just have a big conviction about it.and i personally feel if we stayed in, then we are supporting that whitch we strongly preach against.

hometown guy · #96 10-20-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I disagree. You can form a committee of church members to decide that stuff. But informing the entire church is not the same as the entire church voting

the problem with a committe ran church is that you have a pastor who will dance around most things.verble bean talks about this in the book "the battlefeild"(i think it was that book)you should all get it and read it.the book is really good.

Thad · #97 10-20-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

the reason why it is a big deal is because the door that has been opened will lead to other things concerning t.v. we understand that as of now it is only allowing upc pastors to advertise..do you think that the ones that are advertisig are really ever going to preach against it(because the upc is against wathing tv.)no way.we are not afraid of this res. we just have a big conviction about it.and i personally feel if we stayed in, then we are supporting that whitch we strongly preach against.

I think that anyone who is true and consistant in their convictions are to be commended. Everyone knows that TV has been nothing but sewage piped into our homes destroying the mindset of the youth of today. even if they wont admit it. even Doctor Dobson admonishes families to consider not having a TV.

HOWEVER!! I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS!!!

1) what will conservatives do when TV is no more??? Internet and TV will merge within a few years, so, what kind of a stand will a conservative pastor make then ??

2) I have relatives who do not have a TV ...BUT! their kids download TV shows onto their IPODS!!! now what ???? now what ????????????????

i recall 25 years ago, conservatives were preaching against "monitors". now the kids today don't even know what a monitor is AND , basically , if you have a computer with a DVD player, it's really the same as having a" monitor". would anyone agree ???

pelathais · #98 10-20-2007, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

the problem with a committe ran church is that you have a pastor who will dance around most things.verble bean talks about this in the book "the battlefeild"(i think it was that book)you should all get it and read it.the book is really good.

On another thread there is a discussion of a very "conservative" pastor who had no "committee" but still found he was forced to do the dance you describe; and it had horrible consequences for his family.

I personally was involved in a church where the pastor attempted to exercise autocracy. His failing was that he too was subject to the manipulations of unscrupulous people and his family suffered rather badly as well.

You've no doubt seen some of the "example cases" that so-called anti-cult" groups have put up on the web. In all of the notorious cases of "abuse" it was because of a lone "conservative" pastor who was simply trying to "follow his conscience" in the way he managed his church. These cases have brought a great deal of shame upon the UPC fellowship and on Apostolics in general.

Because of the television ban we have not had to suffer humiliation from the much celebrated scandals of televangelists. But we really have never needed television to humiliate ourselves in public. What better way to stifle these abuses then to have our pastors accountable to the people they purportedly are serving?

Whole Hearted · #99 10-20-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

the problem with a committe ran church is that you have a pastor who will dance around most things.verble bean talks about this in the book "the battlefeild"(i think it was that book)you should all get it and read it.the book is really good.

Amen Brother

Nina · #**100** 10-20-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Because of the television ban we have not had to suffer humiliation from the much celebrated scandals of televangelists. But we really have never needed television to humiliate ourselves in public. What better way to stifle these abuses then to have our pastors accountable to the people they purportedly are serving?

Bro P.

But how do You do this?
How do You HAVE them accountable?
Or do You HOLD them accountable?

There seems to be a difference between the two.

Nina