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Old 07-01-2009, 05:40 PM
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Re: Conservative Camp Meeting, Ventura, CA.06/22-0

Does all of this mean that the Scots understand this issue better than most?
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Any thoughts on it only mentions men wearing breeches?
Breeches were made for priests so when they walked up the stairs they would not be exposed.

They were not pants. They were underwear
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:37 PM
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Re: Conservative Camp Meeting, Ventura, CA.06/22-0

Jax, Whether there "could have been" a woman with a staff, or they "could have" gone to work should not be how we interpret Scripture. It should be in light of the dominant culture, what the author's intent/purpose and understood by what it meant then. There's plenty of scholarly research that points to "girding the loins" having to do with battle. I can see it being used for work, of course, but what is the primary symbol? I think it's battle. Work or battle, both were likely exclusive for men. Enjoying the convo.

so you believe women did not work back then? What about Proverbs 31
10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

14She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. 25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.

31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

We have her working and making money and buying land AND GIRDING HER LOINS.

Now you have been shown three scriptures one where the WHOLE congregation was told to gird their loins and two where WOMEN were mentioned as girding their loins.
what is that scriptures about 2 or 3 witnesses every word being established?
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Re: Conservative Camp Meeting, Ventura, CA.06/22-0

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Breeches were made for priests so when they walked up the stairs they would not be exposed.

They were not pants. They were underwear
And when they walked up stairs and exposed their britches,
the choir would sing:

"I see London, I see France,
I see Aaron's underpants."

But that is better than what they would have seen if the priests didn't wear those britches.
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Is that possible?


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Thanks for the welcome. I will be sure to establish what you say in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
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Thanks for the welcome. I will be sure to establish what you say in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
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I have often wondered how men's and women's apparel is defined.

Do we define it historically? Whatever was appropriate in the past would be correct for today. If this is so, why did it ever become correct for men to cease the wearing of robes. Futhermore, tights, the precursor to panty hoes were first worn by men.

Do we define it culturally? If that is the case, cultural norms have and do change.

Do we define it Biblically? I find it curious that God never deliniates men's and women's apparell. And the New Testament is curiously silent on the whole issue. Why would God overlook such a vital guidline?

Even when God clothed Adam and Eve, he did not explain the differences in the cut or construction of the garments. If fact he made them both tunics, or robes. No difference was noted by the author of Genesis. Why?

Just some thoughts. How do you define what is men's and women's apparel, and how do you know that is the correct method to be used?
1600 views and still no members of the "pant police" have ventured an explanation. How quickly dogma dies in the face of logic.

No one is allowed to question the leader's premise. It reminds me of "Animal Farm" where the pigs sold the ignorant animals the mantra "Two legs bad, four legs good."
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1600 views and still no members of the "pant police" have ventured an explanation. How quickly dogma dies in the face of logic.

No one is allowed to question the leader's premise. It reminds me of "Animal Farm" where the pigs sold the ignorant animals the mantra "Two legs bad, four legs good."
Ah, but see, that's that thing. It doesn't die! When logic is irrefutable, it's always "God is not bound by man's logic" or some such.
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Ah, but see, that's that thing. It doesn't die! When logic is irrefutable, it's always "God is not bound by man's logic" or some such.
I always thought that this was when the "Obey them..." clause took effect.
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I always thought that this was when the "Obey them..." clause took effect.
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