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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues. 11 19.30%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation. 10 17.54%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization. 3 5.26%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 21 36.84%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational. 11 19.30%
I don't know. 1 1.75%
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Old 04-19-2007, 07:52 AM
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This is another false assumption in many believer's lives. The pastor will preach a standard, and the backslidden rebel will say that they have no conviction on that issue. They will claim it not as part of their personal convictions. But, in all essence, it is the attempt to rebel against the God given authority in the believer's life.
Nah it more like this......

This is another false assumption in many Pastors Beliefs.

The pastor will preach a standard, and the Church member is backsliden and rebellious when they have no conviction on that issue.

When the member claims it not as part of their personal convictions.

The Pastor believes it's rebellion against what the Pastor believes is his God given authority in the church members life.
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Old 04-19-2007, 07:54 AM
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Nah it more like this......

This is another false assumption in many Pastors Beliefs.

The pastor will preach a standard, and the Church member is backsliden and rebellious when they have no conviction on that issue.

When the member claims it not as part of their personal convictions.

The Pastor believes it's rebellion against what the Pastor believes is his God given authority in the church members life.
Seems like both are right and both are wrong. (But of course, Coop is all right.)
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:50 PM
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This is another false assumption in many believer's lives. The pastor will preach a standard, and the backslidden rebel will say that they have no conviction on that issue. They will claim it not as part of their personal convictions. But, in all essence, it is the attempt to rebel against the God given authority in the believer's life.
Or we can do like you do and just change churches as to find a pastor we agree with, right?
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Old 04-19-2007, 08:13 AM
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Lord help ya Coop if you stand before the throne one day with this attitude. If God has set a pastor over you, don't you think you should obey that pastor's teachings? Or, are you now among those who think they need no one but themselves to teach what the Bible says?
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Lord help ya Coop if you stand before the throne one day with this attitude. If God has set a pastor over you, don't you think you should obey that pastor's teachings? Or, are you now among those who think they need no one but themselves to teach what the Bible says?
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Lord help ya Coop if you stand before the throne one day with this attitude.
Why do think this way? Why think Hell??

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If God has set a pastor over you, don't you think you should obey that pastor's teachings?
Not if they are extra-biblical and organizationally implemented.

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Or, are you now among those who think they need no one but themselves to teach what the Bible says?
I lean not to my own understanding, nor a Pastors Understanding, but Acknowledge the Lord and he will direct my paths.

A UPCI pastor is not my God, nor will I have a UPCI pastor again.

But IF God puts a good man in my life then so be it.
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Lord help ya Coop if you stand before the throne one day with this attitude. If God has set a pastor over you, don't you think you should obey that pastor's teachings? Or, are you now among those who think they need no one but themselves to teach what the Bible says?
How many pastors has God set over you, say, in the past year?

How many have you left because the pastor God set over you didn't line up with your beliefs as they changed?
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:45 PM
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How many pastors has God set over you, say, in the past year?

How many have you left because the pastor God set over you didn't line up with your beliefs as they changed?
Yes, I was wrong, but got right. So, why is it that you would defend a man who HATES the UPCI or any standard church or organization, but you would attack me? Possibly an example of a spirit that rejoices in sin and worldliness??? Makes me wonder?
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Yes, I was wrong, but got right. So, why is it that you would defend a man who HATES the UPCI or any standard church or organization, but you would attack me? Possibly an example of a spirit that rejoices in sin and worldliness??? Makes me wonder?
You were wrong, but got right? For how long? And how long before you realize that you were really right before and are wrong now?

I mean, at least I ADMIT that I don't have the answers!
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You were wrong, but got right? For how long? And how long before you realize that you were really right before and are wrong now?

I mean, at least I ADMIT that I don't have the answers!
He'll be wrong and get right again.
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Yes, I was wrong, but got right. So, why is it that you would defend a man who HATES the UPCI or any standard church or organization, but you would attack me? Possibly an example of a spirit that rejoices in sin and worldliness??? Makes me wonder?
That's just wrong brother.

And you know it.

No one here rejoices in sin, nor has the spirits you imply with attack and insult.

I do not hate UPCI.

In fact I am broken hearted to know that a people that I was a part of 17 years; is so un-kind to their Ex-upc brethren, that do not agree them.

Your comments are darts the heart Bro. Prince.

I am your brother in Jesus Christ weather you like or not.

My name is written in the Lambs book of life.

No man or Org will separate me from the love of Christ.

I still affirm Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost baptism with evidence of tongues.

Jesus is one lord, one God and my God and Savior.

Stop insulting us that do not agree with you.

We are your brethren in Jesus and we love you.

I do not hate the UPCI.

I am very put out with it's "obey or hell" doctrines.

Jesus is my God. UPCI introduced me to him and I am grateful.

UPCI taught me the gifts of the Spirit and my faith grew with signs and miracles and I am grateful.

If you should ever fall to the deepest depths of sin Bro. Prince.....

It will be us Ex-UPCI brethren that will be loving on you when the UPCI you love so much will let you down.

Peace, Bro. Prince.

Your blood brother in Jesus.

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