Using secular songs to open service for icebreaker

[Jason B]

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...ement?q=Seeker

An interesting link

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...ement?q=Seeker

An interesting link

I've seen this before. Old news. Griping, complaining, negative, gibberish, I'm-right-you're-wrong, ugh.

Just have it your way, Jason. You're right. We Seeker types deny the cross, we just entertain, we don't care if people really change as long as we have a crowd, we're not committed nor are the people in our churches, we don't believe in or ask for sacrifice, Robert Schuller is the devil, Rick Warren is the anti-Christ, Bill Hybels only cares about a big crowd.

Sigh.

The internet is LOADED with hate-speech about these people. I can, also, find, at least, 10,000 pieces on the internet that hates on these guys.

Jealousy. Period.

If the internet had been going in 1 AD they would have been writing hate speech on Jesus and the disciples. So go ahead, Jason, believe it if you want.

Whatever.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

There's so much wrong with your post I don't even know where to start. There is, at least, one thing you said that really makes me angry. Really angry. It's pious, spiritually condescending, and completely WRONG. I speak of,"And paradoxically this is the result of the first generation of "seeker sensative" church which told people they could become Christians essentially without comittment or repentance."Jason, you don't know what the blue blazes you're talking about. If that's really the way you think, I'll shift my focus to talking to someone else. That statement hurts, it's wrong, it's arrogant and judgmental, and you have zero experience with which to make that statement.

Us four, no more. Enjoy your three companions.

Wow. This is an example of a judgemental outburst.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

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You need to listen to some Coldplay and then explain to me how in the world their music could be damaging to the cause of Christ.

Wrong question. How does it glorify the Kingdom?



http://www.coldplay.com/

If you all want to see Coldplays nekid home page.

Coldplays lead vocalist sounds very bad. Their music is pathetic. This appeals to kids that do not appreciate fine voice.
My teen has performed in Carnegie hall a capella. You can hide a bad voice behind loud noise.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I've seen this before. Old news. Griping, complaining, negative, gibberish, I'm-right-you're-wrong, ugh.

Just have it your way, Jason. You're right. We Seeker types deny the cross, we just entertain, we don't care if people really change as long as we have a crowd, we're not committed nor are the people in our churches, we don't believe in or ask for sacrifice, Robert Schuller is the devil, Rick Warren is the anti-Christ, Bill Hybels only cares about a big crowd.

Sigh.

The internet is LOADED with hate-speech about these people. I can, also, find, at least, 10,000 pieces on the internet that hates on these guys.

Jealousy. Period.

If the internet had been going in 1 AD they would have been writing hate speech on Jesus and the disciples. So go ahead, Jason, believe it if you want.

Whatever.

Hate speech on Jesus? They crucified him.



I take it you have not read Rick Warrens book or his agenda?
It is fasinating. he has a doctrine and cherry picks bible verse translations to support it. He quotes phrases out of certain verses to justify his statements.

From a marketing merchandising standpoint, he does well. He markets to the unchurched. It is done so he gets people that are not suspicious of some of his false claims.

Seeker sensitive is old fashioned marketing. Take a survey and find what the customers want. In Corinthians, Paul preeched to change the culture. In seeker sensitive, the church conforms to the culture. he keeps pumping new products into the supply chain.

With my education, I just cruised thru his books and found who he borrowed self motivation and marketing tactics from. Every one from Tony Robbins to Steve Covey. There is goal oriented management, MBO, One Minute Manager stuff and then also a sprinkle of secular humanist phrases and quotes.

Look at his footnotes and see how many translations he clips small phrases from He does it to fortify his messaging.

You will also want to read the global
bestseller The Purpose-Driven Life, available
in bookstores or online.
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No I am hungry for the WORD. I recalll one church that bought his program. From early on, it was get with the "Program" or get out.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by coadie

Hate speech on Jesus? They crucified him.



I take it you have not read Rick Warrens book or his agenda?
It is fasinating. he has a doctrine and cherry picks bible verse translations to support it. He quotes phrases out of certain verses to justify his statements.

From a marketing merchandising standpoint, he does well. He markets to the unchurched. It is done so he gets people that are not suspicious of some of his false claims.

Seeker sensitive is old fashioned marketing. Take a survey and find what the customers want. In Corinthians, Paul preeched to change the culture. In seeker sensitive, the church conforms to the culture. he keeps pumping new products into the supply chain.

With my education, I just cruised thru his books and found who he borrowed self motivation and marketing tactics from. Every one from Tony Robbins to Steve Covey. There is goal oriented management, MBO, One Minute Manager stuff and then also a sprinkle of secular humanist phrases and quotes.

Look at his footnotes and see how many translations he clips small phrases from He does it to fortify his messaging.


No I am hungry for the WORD. I recalll one church that bought his program. From early on, it was get with the "Program" or get out.

(In case it's not clear what this smilie means, it's typed out with a colon and then the word "Bored", which is an accurate description of what I am with your baloney)

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by coadie

Wrong question. How does it glorify the Kingdom?



http://www.coldplay.com/

If you all want to see Coldplays nekid home page.

Coldplays lead vocalist sounds very bad. Their music is pathetic. This appeals to kids that do not appreciate fine voice.
My teen has performed in Carnegie hall a capella. You can hide a bad voice behind loud noise.

Wrong. Coldplay is a good band. He doesn't have the best voice in the world, but he can sing. Plus, their lyrics and sound connect on an emotional level. It it didn't, they wouldn't have the massive following that they do. I'm sure your son is very talented, btw. But vocal talent alone does not make a great band.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

Wrong. Coldplay is a good band. He doesn't have the best voice in the world, but he can sing. Plus, their lyrics and sound connect on an emotional level. It it didn't, they wouldn't have the massive following that they do. I'm sure your son is very talented, btw. But vocal talent alone does not make a great band.

Blues, Country, Opera etc are to connect on emotional level.

http://www.coldplay.com/

It is called eros or lust of the flesh. Two buck nekid people on their home page. This is porn/obscene. Sex sells. The Ancient Greeks into this. I am ok with this secular music till they cross the line in either vulgar lyrics or in this case nudity.
Madonna has a huge audience. Michael Jackson.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by coadie

Blues, Country, Opera etc are to connect on emotional level.

http://www.coldplay.com/

It is called eros or lust of the flesh. Two buck nekid people on their home page. This is porn/obscene. Sex sells. The Ancient Greeks into this. I am ok with this secular music till they cross the line in either vulgar lyrics or in this case nudity.
Madonna has a huge audience. Michael Jackson.

I didn't think the contributions to this thread could get dumber. You showed up. I was wrong.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I didn't think the contributions to this thread could get dumber. You showed up. I was wrong.

I'm betting it can still get dumber.