Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Do muslims think Christians are lost?

Mike, you think most Christians are lost, hello.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

there is no "try," it will not even be a problem. The verses are not hard to find, they are just hidden from you because you seek evil. I'll dig a couple up for you, and you can twist them to your ends, since you are so determined to fear Muslims. It'll be this afternoon.

I'm just reading context. You're grasping for straws. But hey, your TO ME universe says I am seeking evil and so it is!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Mike, you think most Christians are lost, hello.

Can't answer?

When it comes to Christians, Shazeep, I will not say they're lost like I will muslims. You will not find a statement anywhere where I did. Look for it. I say obey Acts 2:38, but I will not say YOU ARE LOST if you did not and are Christian. I leave that section up to God. Seriously. Look. I don't want to be in their shoes, but I will not say they are lost.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep,

If Muslims think Christians are lost, that would not stop them from hedging into Christian territories and praying side by side. I think Muslims are lost and I would pray side by side with them, to get the influence of Christ to them. I think their god doesn't exist, so I 'd have nothing to fear.

Please elaborate on your reasoning about this issue.

now all the sudden the word "fight" that i "twisted the definition of" earlier has turned into "pray" for you? Not to be rude, but i have to go for now.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

now all the sudden the word "fight" that i "twisted the definition of" earlier has turned into "pray" for you? Not to be rude, but i have to go for now.

I am currently chatting live to a mulsim and asking him about lost or not with Christians/

[mfblume]

MY CHAT WITH A MUSLIM:

from http://www.ask-a-muslim.com

Mike (09:33:54) : I am wondering what Muslims believe about the state of a Christian soul. Is a Christian lost if they only abide by the Bible? Or is such a person in need of conversion to not be considered lost?

Mike (09:34:39) : Just seeking information

S.Sayyed (09:35:51) : we Muslims believe that jesus Christ is the Mightiest messenger of God Almighty

S.Sayyed (09:36:07) : whereas Christians believe that he is God

Mike (09:36:20) : Yes but you do not believe He is the Son of God. So, if believe He is the Son of God, then how is my soul?

S.Sayyed (09:36:40) : here is the parting of ways in belief between muslims and Christians

Mike (09:36:54) : I agree.

S.Sayyed (09:36:54) : no how he can be the son of God

Mike (09:37:08) : By the way I deny trinity

Mike (09:37:30) : I just ask if I believe He is the son of God then what is the state of my soul?

S.Sayyed (09:37:32) : How can God almighty have human qualities ??

Mike (09:37:55) : God does not have human qualities.

S.Sayyed (09:38:00) : that's what

S.Sayyed (09:38:13) : then how can jesus be the son of God

Mike (09:38:33) : First, though, please answer my question. If I believe Jesus is Son of God then what is the state of my soul? Thankyou.

S.Sayyed (09:38:29) : He is the messenger of God not the son

Mike (09:39:00) : If I believe Jesus is Son of God then what is the state of my soul? Thankyou.

S.Sayyed (09:39:15) : you are wrong , at it according to Islam you are doing the biggest crime

Mike (09:39:34) : So that means I am lost?

S.Sayyed (09:39:52) : yes , but you can still seek the right path

So, Shazeep, Mulsims believe all Christians who believe Jesus is the Son of God are lost!

What do you say about that?

[shazeep]

"because you are evil"

my meaning is that you are seeking a way for it to not be true; not seeking a way for it to be true. Of course, we are all evil--"if you then, being evil..."--You already know it's in there. Gotta run for now.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"because you are evil"

my meaning is that you are seeking a way for it to not be true; not seeking a way for it to be true. Of course, we are all evil--"if you then, being evil..."--You already know it's in there. Gotta run for now.

Haha. Twist twist twist away. Notice how the benefit of the doubt goes to Muslims who say the same thing about us that we say about them, but it does't go toward us?

He said belief in a Son of God is the biggest crime. But I guess you can interpret crime and biggest differently, too. huh?

[shazeep]

i am called to give him the benefit of the doubt, yes.
And a word about this "twisting;" we should stop saying this, as it is derogatory,and surely no one means to be twisting.

Originally Posted by mfblume

So, Shazeep, Mulsims believe all Christians who believe Jesus is the Son of God are lost!

What do you say about that?

i would say that my understanding allows that you are most likely arguing from different points of view in your definitions. Weren't even the Nephilim called "sons of God?" So why argue about whether Christ was a Son of God or not? Wouldn't it be better to rejoice that a Muslim has verified Christ, and then witness what fruit has come from his understanding? Or if you just feel the need to dispute, then dispute about your definitions of "Son of God"?

If it is plain to us that we can't even agree with Christians in other sects, and we call their path "lost," then what is the point debating with someone from a different culture? It is like seeking out a new friend to discuss religion or politics with

So without realizing it, perhaps, we take a combative attitude with us, everywhere we go--i do it, too--supposing that we are defending Christ, when we are not even representing Him. What i say about that is that the Spanish Inquisition was seen to be evil, yet we seek to export it worldwide, and the Muslim in this convo, backed into a corner by you, may be seen to have bested you, in that he made every attempt to be inclusive of even you, the ancestor of the RCC.

i mean, he never once mentioned Muhammad (pbuh), or required that you even acknowledge his existence; and he went on to acknowledge that Christ is Supreme, and you think you have some encouraging point to make here? What have you become?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i am called to give him the benefit of the doubt, yes.

You are called to do the same with me, though, and you have not.

And a word about this "twisting;" we should stop saying this, as it is derogatory,and surely no one means to be twisting.

i would say that my understanding allows that you are most likely arguing from different points of view in your definitions.

No matter what I provide from a muslim, himself, you still insist they can say we are lost but we cannot say they are lost.

Tell me what question should be posed to them to see what their intentions are.

Weren't even the Nephilim called "sons of God?" So why argue about whether Christ was a Son of God or not? Wouldn't it be better to rejoice that a Muslim has verified Christ, and then witness what fruit has come from his understanding?

It is wonderful they honour Christ. But the issue is that the singlemost thing that people can deny that John explained makes a person antichrist is the thing they repeat over and over again.

Or if you just feel the need to dispute, then dispute about your definitions of "Son of God"?

There is no need to dispute it. As I said a child can understand it. Don't make it so complicated.

If it is plain to us that we can't even agree with Christians in other sects, and we call their path "lost,"

I already said I do not use the term lost when pointing at Christians. I leave that to God and continue to preach what I see in the word for salvation.

then what is the point debating with someone from a different culture? It is like seeking out a new friend to discuss religion or politics with

It's to reveal the truth about the issue regarding who is lost or not that you made an issue out of when we said muslims are lost. To us, it's just repeating the bible. And I know yada yada yada that you make an issue of that as you insist it implies self exaltation, but you are simply wrong. You need to know that people can repeat the requirements the bible lists for salvation without intending to demean anyone else or exalt oneself. And until you realize you do not know the intents of the heart you will never see how godlike you are trying to act about that.

Just as I cannot know if people, truly in their hearts, repented to the Lord when they say they did, neither can you judge me as judgmental (oh the irony) simply because I said muslims are lost. You cannot read hearts.

So without realizing it, perhaps, we take a combative attitude with us, everywhere we go--i do it, too

Perhaps that's not the case at all. But really, you are not meaning it when you say perhaps. To you, you are convinced and that's where you act godlike.

--supposing that we are defending Christ, when we are not even representing Him. What i say about that is that the Spanish Inquisition was seen to be evil, yet we seek to export it worldwide, and the Muslim in this convo, backed into a corner by you, may be seen to have bested you, in that he made every attempt to be inclusive of even you, the ancestor of the RCC.

That's how you see everything just from the thought muslims are lost. You cannot see there may be no intention of such a thing at all. So, really consider your use of the word "perhaps" and "maybe". You are trying to get me to reconsider and not even stopping to consider you may need to reconsider.

i mean, he never once mentioned Muhammad (pbuh), or required that you even acknowledge his existence; and he went on to acknowledge that Christ is Supreme, and you think you have some encouraging point to make here? What have you become?

Oh how you look at everything so pessimistically. I am just making a point they think we're lost like we think they're lost. What have you become to misconstrue that into some monstrous note of self exaltation?