POA Use Idol Worship at Campmeeting? - Page 11

Jehoram · #**101** 07-07-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I remember this song . . . only we never sang it in a church service. It was a song I remember hearing in Sunday School when I was a kid.

This is NOT the "standard" for the many worship songs in our movement . . . it was a kids movement song. Like the other one, "Father Abraham." But you probably think that's a standard for the new worship songs too, right?

I love most of the new worship songs. You are very foolish if you believe that Pentecostals don't enjoy hype and emotionalism.I just don't enjoy repetitive lyrics and music bent on driving people into a frenzy.

I see the same thing with preaching nowadays. There are some preachers who are not happy unless everyone is doing cartwheels in response to their little one-liners. We are raising up a new generation of idiots who will accept any false doctrine that floats by. This is because we preach everything other than the Word. We keep trying to "fix" people instead of letting God's word do the job. Same thing with music, we try to manufacture the presence of God.

It's sickening and false worship.

triumphant1 · #**102** 07-07-2007, 11:54 AM

BTW, I am not saying that emotions and feelings are not necessary or even useful in worship...

I am saying that when we base our worship on feelings alone we tend to miss the point...some songs may not touch my "feeling" button, but if they lift up Jesus, then I should be mature enough to worship with the content even if I do not like the genre...

tv1a · #**103** 07-07-2007, 11:54 AM

Take a big swig of kool aid and explain this one.

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Originally Posted by jwharv

Sorry there is a huge difference between this:

Psalms 136
136:1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.
3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.
4 To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.
5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.
7 To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:
8 The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:
9 The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.
10 To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever:
11 And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever:
12 With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for his mercy endureth for ever.
13 To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:
14 And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for his mercy endureth for ever:
15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever.
16 To him which led his people through the wilderness: for his mercy endureth for ever.
17 To him which smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:
18 And slew famous kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:
19 Sihon king of the Amorites: for his mercy endureth for ever:
20 And Og the king of Bashan: for his mercy endureth for ever:
21 And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever:
22 Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for his mercy endureth for ever.
23 Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever:
24 And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever.
25 Who giveth food to all flesh: for his mercy endureth for ever.
26 O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.

And this:

To worship you I live
to worship you I live I live to worship you
To worship you I live
to worship you I live I live to worship you
To worship you I live
to worship you I live I live to worship you
To worship you I live
to worship you I live I live to worship you
To worship you I live
to worship you I live I live to worship you

Jehoram · #**104** 07-07-2007, 11:57 AM

I watched the response at our district youth camp a couple of weeks ago.

During the preaching everyone stood and clapped almost the entire time. It was idiotic. No one could even really hear what the man was saying. They all rushed the altar and hopped, and skipped, and jumped around in a frenzy while he preached. He kept having to tell them to sit down.

We are so programmed to respond a certain way. Its like a bunch of robots.

South of I 90 · #**105** 07-07-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Take a big swig of kool aid and explain this one.

What do these guys think of the angels that have been singing and saying HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY since the beginning of...............and will be throughout eternity around the throne!!

tv1a · #**106** 07-07-2007, 11:59 AM

I think the problem some are having is using repetition in music. It is mistaken for chanting. One of the most effective worship songs, when done properly and not overkilled, is a song that reapeats one word or one phrase. The song that repeats Alleluia over and over again has been around for ages. That is closer to the so-called chanting that some see to have a problem with a phrase such as To worship you I live, I live to worship you.

chaotic_resolve · #**107** 07-07-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I love most of the new worship songs. You are very foolish if you believe that Pentecostals don't enjoy hype and emotionalism.I just don't enjoy repetitive lyrics and music bent on driving people into a frenzy.

I see the same thing with preaching nowadays. There are some preachers who are not happy unless everyone is doing cartwheels in response to their little one-liners. We are raising up a new generation of idiots who will accept any false doctrine that floats by. This is because we preach everything other than the Word. We keep trying to "fix" people instead of letting God's word do the job. Same thing with music, we try to manufacture the presence of God.

It's sickening and false worship.

I don't disagree with some of what you said . . . but you're analogy with that song was wrong. That's not the standard, and I don't know of any church that has used that song (even in the past) during a worship service. Maybe for a Sunday School Revival or kids service or something . . . but not during an adult service.

I could be wrong.

Now I can agree with you on emotionalism and hype in some songs. There's a song that I've heard in many churches that I simply cannot stand.

"If you're not ashamed to praise the Lord,
Let me see you clap your hands
(stomp your feet; leap for joy)"

And the chorus or tag is "Leap for joy" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and . . . well you get it.

I call it the Pentecostal Calisthenics song. I have a scary picture in my mind of Richard Simmons on the platform with a mic saying, "And one more . . . and one more."

But at the same time, I'm not going to criticise the people singing it or the churches (music leader, pastor, etc) for using it.

tv1a · #**108** 07-07-2007, 12:02 PM

I agree with your assessment. I saw that at the 2006 General Conference. One of the least inspiring messages I ever heard. I was glad I was in the nosebleed section. I got a bird's eye view of the circus.

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I watched the response at our district youth camp a couple of weeks ago.

During the preaching everyone stood and clapped almost the entire time. It was idiotic. No one could even really hear what the man was saying. They all rushed the altar and hopped, and skipped, and jumped around in a frenzy while he preached. He kept having to tell them to sit down.

We are so programmed to respond a certain way. Its like a bunch of robots.

Jehoram · #**109** 07-07-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I don't disagree with some of what you said . . . but you're analogy with that song was wrong. That's not the standard, and I don't know of any church that has used that song (even in the past) during a worship service. Maybe for a Sunday School Revival or kids service or something . . . but not during an adult service.

I could be wrong.

Now I can agree with you on emotionalism and hype in some songs. There's a song that I've heard in many churches that I simply cannot stand.

"If you're not ashamed to praise the Lord,
Let me see you clap your hands
(stomp your feet; leap for joy)"

And the chorus or tag is "Leap for joy" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and . . . well you get it.

I call it the Pentecostal Calisthenics song. I have a scary picture of Richard Simmons on the platform with a mic saying, "And one more . . . and one more."

But at the same time, I'm not going to criticise the people singing it or the churches (music leader, pastor, etc) for using it.

My point was that song reflects a general attitude throughout the movement that the presence of God is ushered in by physical motion. I believe the presence of God is present when faith-filled believers bring their all week realtionship with God into a service.

Jehoram · #**110** 07-07-2007, 12:04 PM

I also think that was Brother Strange's point.

That something was being manufactured and therefore was false.