Disaffiliation with the UPC???? - Page 11

hometown guy · #**101** 10-20-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad

I think that anyone who is true and consistant in their convictions are to be commended. Everyone knows that TV has been nothing but sewage piped into our homes destroying the mindset of the youth of today. even if they wont admit it. even Doctor Dobson admonishes families to consider not having a TV.

HOWEVER!! I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS!!!

1) what will conservatives do when TV is no more??? Internet and TV will merge within a few years, so, what kind of a stand will a conservative pastor make then ??

2) I have relatives who do not have a TV ...BUT! their kids download TV shows onto their IPODS!!! now what ???? now what ????????????????

i recall 25 years ago, conservatives were preaching against "monitors". now the kids today don't even know what a monitor is AND , basically , if you have a computer with a DVD player, it's really the same as having a" monitor". would anyone agree ???

you have some good points thats why in my church my pastor said he is no longer just praching against tv or video because you can ge this on your computers cell phones game stations and whatever else ,and thats why he preaches against the sin of hollywood in general.

Steve Epley · #**102** 10-20-2007, 11:06 AM

I am NOT the least bit sorry for the stand I have taken against television and Hollywood video through the years, true technology has passed us and we can't make rules fast enough to keep up. However I still make a strong stand on anything that borders Hollywood type entertainment(and worse.)

hometown guy · #**103** 10-20-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

On another thread there is a discussion of a very "conservative" pastor who had no "committee" but still found he was forced to do the dance you describe; and it had horrible consequences for his family.

I personally was involved in a church where the pastor attempted to exercise autocracy. His failing was that he too was subject to the manipulations of unscrupulous people and his family suffered rather badly as well.

You've no doubt seen some of the "example cases" that so-called anti-cult" groups have put up on the web. In all of the notorious cases of "abuse" it was because of a lone "conservative" pastor who was simply trying to "follow his conscience" in the way he managed his church. These cases have brought a great deal of shame upon the UPC fellowship and on Apostolics in general.

Because of the television ban we have not had to suffer humiliation from the much celebrated scandals of televangelists. But we really have never needed television to humiliate ourselves in public. What better way to stifle these abuses then to have our pastors accountable to the people they purportedly are serving?

that is why a pastor need elder from the outside of the church,with thire names put in their by-laws for their own protection because even good men can fall,but they dont need the church they are pastoring to determine how they are going to run a church.and being on tv is just going to stop people more from preaching agaist sin because the pastor will once again dance around things that we stand for in the upc.(and im not talking about the plan of salvation)

hometown guy · #**104** 10-20-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am NOT the least bit sorry for the stand I have taken against television and Hollywood video through the years, true technology has passed us and we can't make rules fast enough to keep up. However I still make a strong stand on anything that borders Hollywood type entertainment(and worse.)

same here

lovinglife · #**105** 10-20-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad

I think that anyone who is true and consistant in their convictions are to be commended. Everyone knows that TV has been nothing but sewage piped into our homes destroying the mindset of the youth of today. even if they wont admit it. even Doctor Dobson admonishes families to consider not having a TV.

HOWEVER!! I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS!!!

1) what will conservatives do when TV is no more??? Internet and TV will merge within a few years, so, what kind of a stand will a conservative pastor make then ??

this is true i work for the verizon home phone and internet with Fios fiber optics and trust me sooner than people think.....the internet and TV are to be combined onto the same thing where you have a wireless keyboard and the "monitor" will be the computer screen.....

Thad · #**106** 10-20-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lovinglife

this is true i work for the verizon home phone and internet with Fios fiber optics and trust me sooner than people think.....the internet and TV are to be combined onto the same thing where you have a wireless keyboard and the "monitor" will be the computer screen.....

eventually all cell phones will be able to get TV.

It's already an option

B_Kendrick · #**107** 10-20-2007, 12:36 PM

I also heard, refferring to getting tv on your cell, that soon you will be able to get a full pornographic video on your phone, if you cant do it already! I agree with hometown_guy, its now about circumcision of the heart. Its now a matter of what to allow and what not to allow.

B_Kendrick · #**108** 10-20-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by anapko81

Okay, I get your drift, but what concerns me as to the "Cons" revulsion to resolution 4 is a big misconception. I never got the understanding that the UPC was forcing it's members to go out and buy a tv and force them to watch it! The reaction of the "Cons" is how it appears to me! My comments simply said what are they afraid of? It does sound to me like they are running from a "problem". Their solution, disaffiliation. Your thoughts?

Actaully, it kinda goes like this...

The "Ultra Cons", as you so call them, have been on the verge of disaffiliating for quite a while here, and this is due to the fact that if we aren't going to participate in their activities, thier functions, then why pay dues to be apart of something we do not condone!?!? And also pay money to be apart of it? The resolution 4 just pushed them over the edge. We just have backbone to stand up for whats right!

Thad · #**109** 10-20-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Kendrick

I also heard, refferring to getting tv on your cell, that soon you will be able to get a full pornographic video on your phone, if you cant do it already! I agree with hometown_guy, its now about circumcision of the heart. Its now a matter of what to allow and what not to allow.

Elaborate on what you mean by this if you will

freeatlast · #**110** 10-20-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am NOT the least bit sorry for the stand I have taken against television and Hollywood video through the years, true technology has passed us and we can't make rules fast enough to keep up. However I still make a strong stand on anything that borders Hollywood type entertainment(and worse.)

Don't feel like the lone ranger Elder E, the Pharisees had the same problem.