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Old 07-02-2010, 05:59 AM
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SEU (Southern Eastern University) updates

In checking in with SEU, about getting a PhD so far the response time has been very slow on the part of Dr John Johnson, academic director SEU.

What I have learned is that:

Mr. Johnson was quick to inform me
"SEU is an American University and as such is not able to award UK qualifications."

Also they cannot admit students from Arkansas, odd considering that is where their "campus" is located.

And the best part so far is their email address you would expect something like jjohnson@SEU.edu. Right?

Oh no they are upscale the email address of the "academic director" is OwlsJKJ@aol.com

I will keep all of you updated in my pursuit of PhD.

Special thanks to Lee Stoneking who turned me on to his alma mater.
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In checking in with SEU, about getting a PhD so far the response time has been very slow on the part of Dr John Johnson, academic director SEU.

What I have learned is that:

Mr. Johnson was quick to inform me
"SEU is an American University and as such is not able to award UK qualifications."

Also they cannot admit students from Arkansas, odd considering that is where their "campus" is located.

And the best part so far is their email address you would expect something like jjohnson@SEU.edu. Right?

Oh no they are upscale the email address of the "academic director" is OwlsJKJ@aol.com

I will keep all of you updated in my pursuit of PhD.

Special thanks to Lee Stoneking who turned me on to his alma mater.

You are relentless.
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Old 07-02-2010, 06:49 AM
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You are relentless.
Well, when someone makes a special plea or provides a CV with academic credentials, that person is making an argument themselves - and "argument from authority" - they are making a claim that they are an "authority" to some degree on the matter under discussion based upon the degrees and other awards that they hold.

So far, the men whose arguments are under discussion lately have come up short when it comes to the degrees they have touted.

There are many others who have been discussed recently - Talmadge French, DKB and many others. These guys with authentic degrees, however, don't seem to make the sorts of outrageous claims that others with "exaggerated" degree credentials have made.

One exception - in my own observation - has been Arlo M. He does hold a valid and earned doctorate in chemical engineering from an accredited university. He has however made the most outlandish and unreasonable claims with regard to the creation/evolution debate. He peddles claims that most of the Young Earth crowd abandoned decades ago.

All of the rest of the guys making outrageous claims all have exaggerated their credentials.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:08 AM
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Well, when someone makes a special plea or provides a CV with academic credentials, that person is making an argument themselves - and "argument from authority" - they are making a claim that they are an "authority" to some degree on the matter under discussion based upon the degrees and other awards that they hold.

So far, the men whose arguments are under discussion lately have come up short when it comes to the degrees they have touted.

There are many others who have been discussed recently - Talmadge French, DKB and many others. These guys with authentic degrees, however, don't seem to make the sorts of outrageous claims that others with "exaggerated" degree credentials have made.

One exception - in my own observation - has been Arlo M. He does hold a valid and earned doctorate in chemical engineering from an accredited university. He has however made the most outlandish and unreasonable claims with regard to the creation/evolution debate. He peddles claims that most of the Young Earth crowd abandoned decades ago.

All of the rest of the guys making outrageous claims all have exaggerated their credentials.
ABsolutely right.

Even better, those that have Doctorates or some credential from SOME school, most often are not specific or concentrated in Christian Theology, Exegetical Teaching, Divinity, etc... It's usually either in the broad field of "religion" or "education," etc

PhD in chem engineering? Not sure the scope of this degree or how his degree makes his an expert in the matter. However, any educated man can surely have an opinion about Young Earth, New Earth Creationism, etc.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:17 AM
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ABsolutely right.

Even better, those that have Doctorates or some credential from SOME school, most often are not specific or concentrated in Christian Theology, Exegetical Teaching, Divinity, etc... It's usually either in the broad field of "religion" or "education," etc

PhD in chem engineering? Not sure the scope of this degree or how his degree makes his an expert in the matter. However, any educated man can surely have an opinion about Young Earth, New Earth Creationism, etc.
I looked at the faculty of ABI (LS's undergrad school) the other day. Most had Bachelor's degrees from ABI itself, and in some cases from other institutions as well. I think there were two doctorates: one in entomology and one in chemical engineering. Oh, whattya know: it would appear to be the same doc that Pel mentioned. Dr. Arlo Moehlenpah. He has a BS and an MS in chem eng., as well as a Th.B. in Apostolic Studies from ABI.

Anyway. Just sayin'.

(Edit: corrected the initials above. Although, the original typo (SE) may have been correct, too. Dunno. )
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I looked at the faculty of ABI (SE's undergrad school) the other day. Most had Bachelor's degrees from ABI itself, and in some cases from other institutions as well. I think there were two doctorates: one in entomology and one in chemical engineering. Oh, whattya know: it would appear to be the same doc that Pel mentioned. Dr. Arlo Moehlenpah. He has a BS and an BS in chem eng., as well as a Th.B. in Apostolic Studies from ABI.

Anyway. Just sayin'.
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I looked at the faculty of ABI (LS's undergrad school) the other day. Most had Bachelor's degrees from ABI itself, and in some cases from other institutions as well. I think there were two doctorates: one in entomology and one in chemical engineering. Oh, whattya know: it would appear to be the same doc that Pel mentioned. Dr. Arlo Moehlenpah. He has a BS and an MS in chem eng., as well as a Th.B. in Apostolic Studies from ABI.

Anyway. Just sayin'.

(Edit: corrected the initials above. Although, the original typo (SE) may have been correct, too. Dunno. )


Wait.....Arlo Moehlenpah is at ABI? Is his doctorate legit? I always thought it was. But then again, I didn't do a Baron on him.
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ABsolutely right.

Even better, those that have Doctorates or some credential from SOME school, most often are not specific or concentrated in Christian Theology, Exegetical Teaching, Divinity, etc... It's usually either in the broad field of "religion" or "education," etc

PhD in chem engineering? Not sure the scope of this degree or how his degree makes his an expert in the matter. However, any educated man can surely have an opinion about Young Earth, New Earth Creationism, etc.
If it's the same Arlo M I remember he was an instructor at Conqueror's Bible College for several years circa 1970s.
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If it's the same Arlo M I remember he was an instructor at Conqueror's Bible College for several years circa 1970s.
Yes. He moved on to Gateway for a number of years before moving out to CLC.

And his Chem. Engineering degree is legit. University of Missouri, I think.
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Well, when someone makes a special plea or provides a CV with academic credentials, that person is making an argument themselves - and "argument from authority" - they are making a claim that they are an "authority" to some degree on the matter under discussion based upon the degrees and other awards that they hold.

So far, the men whose arguments are under discussion lately have come up short when it comes to the degrees they have touted.

There are many others who have been discussed recently - Talmadge French, DKB and many others. These guys with authentic degrees, however, don't seem to make the sorts of outrageous claims that others with "exaggerated" degree credentials have made.

One exception - in my own observation - has been Arlo M. He does hold a valid and earned doctorate in chemical engineering from an accredited university. He has however made the most outlandish and unreasonable claims with regard to the creation/evolution debate. He peddles claims that most of the Young Earth crowd abandoned decades ago.

All of the rest of the guys making outrageous claims all have exaggerated their credentials.

There should be a special warning when one signs up for AFF:

"Do not.....we repeat, DO NOT, make any claims that you cannot absolutely and completely validate. If you do, Baron will hunt you and that claim down the the flippin' end of the earth and nail you to the wall."

That should be in the AFF intro.
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