Were you there that summer we went to camp at Shakamak? WOW! He preached the strongest Oneness message I ever heard from him one night while at camp. It was awesome!
I think I was there! I remember two years there at Shakamak.... One year Bro.Paul Carroll was preaching and one year Shane West was preaching!
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*sigh* I did nothing yesterday.... I wasn't finished so I did nothing again today!
Of course the reason you don't answer is because you know they don't.
I can't really speak for trinitarians. I don't know what they believe or not believe unless I hear it from them. And I am not responsible for what they believe. But I believe this... Jesus said Jhn 14:10" Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." , but, no, can't say that I believe Jesus was His own Father.
I find evidence that He is called "the everlasting Father", that He proceeded from the Father, that the Father was in Him, and He was in the Father, that he returned to the Father, and even sits on the Fathers right hand... but I haven't seem a lot that says He is His own Father.
I posted this quote on another forum:
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'Yes, Jesus Christ is who he said he is: God himself in human form.
That is a crucial truth which undergirds the reality of our
salvation."
One Apostolic, Oneness, Jesus Name sister said she'd sure like to shake the hands of the Apostolic, Oneness, Jesus Name preacher who spoke those words. She was surprized to learn that those are the words of the Rev. Billy Graham. Whats more, she DISAGREED with the Apostolic, Oneness, Jesus Name preacher who said:
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'The one true God united to Himself a human body and nature in order
to reveal Himself to us and to reconcile us to Himself through the
sacrificial, atoning death of His Son on the cross.'
Quote 1: -Billy Graham, DECISION: The Only Way 8/97 pg 2-3
Quote 2: - J.L. Hall Pentecostal Herald: The Marvel of the Incarnation 12/98 pg.2
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
I think I was there! I remember two years there at Shakamak.... One year Bro.Paul Carroll was preaching and one year Shane West was preaching!
Ok. This was the year Shane West was there. I don't remember going to the one that Brother Carroll attended. I really liked Brother Carroll and miss him. I got to talk with Brother West over the phone when Brother Campbell passed on.
That camp at Shakamak was great! We still talk about it sometimes.
Now THAT does scare me. So what happened to God when Jesus was born? God ONLY exist in Jesus?
I don't think you quite get where I am coming from, and don't really want to take the time to explain it to you right now. I will, however, ask you a question. What is the Father's name?
Ok. This was the year Shane West was there. I don't remember going to the one that Brother Carroll attended. I really liked Brother Carroll and miss him. I got to talk with Brother West over the phone when Brother Campbell passed on.
That camp at Shakamak was great! We still talk about it sometimes.
LOL... I remember that year....
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I never met a chocolate I didn't like!
*sigh* I did nothing yesterday.... I wasn't finished so I did nothing again today!
Ah, Oneness. So obviously the only clear, obvious, Bible-based, unifying-the-brethren (and did I mention obvious?) choice in theologies. And so simple! And so easy to understand! And .... oh, never mind.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about you crakjak, how are you doing? You know you were brought up at a home Bible study meeting a few months back (it was just us saints theorizing, no sinners around to take Inclusionist Theology and run with it).
GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex
Hey, I am doing great. Thanks for asking.
You don't have to call it Universalism, or Inclusion or Universal Reconciliation, when sinners are around, just call it the GOOD NEWS, or as Paul called it, "...the ministry of reconcilation..." All this other is the "worse possible news" especially if you really believe that God relegated the final disposition of his creation to fallible humans that can't even agree on what constitutes biblical salvation. NO, thankfully my friend He did not do that, He came Himself in form of a man to become the "...Savior of all men, especially of those who believe..." dealing out "...just recompense of reward..." for the deeds done in the flesh.
Blessing to you, and may God comfort you that the weight of the world is NOT on your shoulders.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Bump for Esther. And my apologies for my part in hi-jacking what was, and is a very good (and much needed) thread. Maybe we should extend the sister the curtesy of returning this thread to its intended purpose and move all the other discussion elsewhere. Again, my apologies.
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Originally Posted by Esther
I have noticed quite a bit of folks comfortable sending folks to hell with THEIR personal interpretation of the scriptures.
Some say one steppers are hell bound.
Some say three steppers are just as wrong.
Some say wearing red is the devils color...hell bound.
Just some examples of the years I see quite often.
My question is where does anyone feel they have the right to say anyone is going to hell? Has God told them someone was going to hell based on THEIR interpretations?
You may BELIEVE with all your heart you have the right interpretation AND according to YOUR interpretation that would send anyone to hell, for whatever reason you may have come up with.
But I would strongly urge you to leave hell bound to scriptures that are very clear in that regards.
Such as all liars will have their place in hell. That is Bible. Not someone's personal opinion of the matter.
It makes me very uncomfortable to see "Christians" sending other "Christians" to hell based on THEIR personal interpretations.
JMO
Does anyone else feel this way?
Alll well. So much for common curtesy.
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
Ah, Oneness. So obviously the only clear, obvious, Bible-based, unifying-the-brethren (and did I mention obvious?) choice in theologies. And so simple! And so easy to understand! And .... oh, never mind.
Speaking of unity, you know how God always answers prayer, but sometimes His answer is "no"? What about when Jesus prayed to His Father, "...that they may be one, as we are"? Was that prayer answered with a "no"?
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