Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by StMark
Are you against this ?
Has your church stopped allowing it ??
At one time did you believe in it but have changed
your views on it ?
no.
no.
and no.
We even swing from the chandeliers and pew hop and ....
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Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
Where do y'all go to church? Please tell me who makes you shout or not shout. I just don't get it, is there a no shouting zone? Is there a dancing only zone? So someone dances, someone doesn't shout, it is between them and God, it doesn't or shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks or feels.
From reading this thread it's like in some people's churches every service is filled with running, shouting, and dancing. In other's, oh it is not allowed because it's flesh.
Well why not, we police everything else, clothes, or lack thereof, make-up, or lack thereof.
I'm more this than you, you are less this than me.
When we get to heaven we will be singing a song the angels cannot sing, a song of the redeemed. We will WORSHIP our Savior. I want to laugh with Jesus, I want to dance with Jesus, I want to sing with Jesus.
I love the quiet of the Spirit of God moving in a service, the reverence.
But I also love the Singing, the shouting, and even the dancing to the Lord.
Sometimes I cry out to Jesus in a LOUD voice, when I am in unimaginable pain. Or when I shout out my love for Him.
Sometimes I don't speak, I just am with Jesus.
Lord help me never to judge anyone's worship. Especially my brother's or sister's.
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Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
Lord help me never to judge anyone's worship. Especially my brother's or sister's.
I agree, cneasttx. I would be afraid to look at someone else dancing before the Lord, and think, "They are just in the 'flesh.'" Seems like I recall something about David's wife displeasing the Lord with her critical thoughts....
We should be careful about denying the experiences of others (with God), and we ought to be VERY careful about assigning motives to hearts, when only GOD can see into a man's heart.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I agree, cneasttx. I would be afraid to look at someone else dancing before the Lord, and think, "They are just in the 'flesh.'" Seems like I recall something about David's wife displeasing the Lord with her critical thoughts....
We should be careful about denying the experiences of others (with God), and we ought to be VERY careful about assigning motives to hearts, when only GOD can see into a man's heart.
I have been guilty of that in the past, and have also been judged by this or that. I found out the only one I should be worrying about pleasing is Jesus. If I look like an idiot, oh well, sorry I am going to Praise my Jesus, so the rocks don't cry out. I will be one less stone.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I agree, cneasttx. I would be afraid to look at someone else dancing before the Lord, and think, "They are just in the 'flesh.'" Seems like I recall something about David's wife displeasing the Lord with her critical thoughts....
We should be careful about denying the experiences of others (with God), and we ought to be VERY careful about assigning motives to hearts, when only GOD can see into a man's heart.
I agree with the judging part, but I have known more than a few that danced before the Lord in church and later it was revealed that they had major sin in their life at the time.
I won't begrudge anyone rejoicing in the Lord. I think it's a beautiful thing.
Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
I agree with the judging part, but I have known more than a few that danced before the Lord in church and later it was revealed that they had major sin in their life at the time.
I won't begrudge anyone rejoicing in the Lord. I think it's a beautiful thing.
And I've known more than a few that sang or played music in praise to God and it was later revealed that they had major sin in their life at the time.
Furthermore, PM, there have been times when things in my personal life were NOT up to par, and coming to church and continuing to worship God and do all the right things anyway--that was the only thing that "saved" me.
I recently heard a husband tell (and I think this is a common story) about fighting with his wife on the way to church, and then his wife got into service, and worshiped God like nothing was wrong. He was really irritated by that, and thought, "Who does she think she is? How can she pray and worship like everything is fine?" So after church he asked her, "Why were you praying and worshiping like that, when we had just been fighting?" To which the wife replied, "I was mad at you--not at God."
Now, I understand the concepts of sin coming between us and God, and I also understand that if we have a problem with a brother or sister, it can hinder our relationship with God, but on the other hand, there is a time for laying it all down and giving God His Time anyway. And I don't call that hypocrisy. I think it's kind of self-centered to walk into church and sit all down in the dumps and upset with yourself and having a pity party because you did something wrong the day before. Get over it, tell God you're sorry, and worship Him like He deserves to be worshiped!
That's my sermon for today.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
And I've known more than a few that sang or played music in praise to God and it was later revealed that they had major sin in their life at the time.
Furthermore, PM, there have been times when things in my personal life were NOT up to par, and coming to church and continuing to worship God and do all the right things anyway--that was the only thing that "saved" me.
I recently heard a husband tell (and I think this is a common story) about fighting with his wife on the way to church, and then his wife got into service, and worshiped God like nothing was wrong. He was really irritated by that, and thought, "Who does she think she is? How can she pray and worship like everything is fine?" So after church he asked her, "Why were you praying and worshiping like that, when we had just been fighting?" To which the wife replied, "I was mad at you--not at God."
Now, I understand the concepts of sin coming between us and God, and I also understand that if we have a problem with a brother or sister, it can hinder our relationship with God, but on the other hand, there is a time for laying it all down and giving God His Time anyway. And I don't call that hypocrisy. I think it's kind of self-centered to walk into church and sit all down in the dumps and upset with yourself and having a pity party because you did something wrong the day before. Get over it, tell God you're sorry, and worship Him like He deserves to be worshiped!
That's my sermon for today.
Thank you, Abigail!!! This is something we need to NOT overlook in our service. His Spirit draws us, works with us, moves us so that we can STAY saved!
When we worked with the Youth in a particular church there was one girl that made such mistakes! BUT, God would move on her and she would shout, worship, dance, etc. Once when she wasn't present the kids asked me about it.
I told them that they needed to understand that God does not stop loving us, working with us, moving on us and that was His way of responding to her heart felt cry, that no one was aware of and couldn't be aware of, let her dance!!!
When we stand before Him and He opens the books we will be without excuse.
We can stand before Him being reminded that we spurned His moving on us or we can stand before Him, someday, being grateful He never stopped His wooing - no matter where we find ourselves on this road to life and sometimes it gets rocky - I need Him to keep nudging me along. I can't always nudge myself.
Ooops, forgot I was on a self-ban for a while. This issue was much too important not to address.
Again, Abigail - excellent post and on the mark!!!
Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
And I've known more than a few that sang or played music in praise to God and it was later revealed that they had major sin in their life at the time.
Furthermore, PM, there have been times when things in my personal life were NOT up to par, and coming to church and continuing to worship God and do all the right things anyway--that was the only thing that "saved" me.
I recently heard a husband tell (and I think this is a common story) about fighting with his wife on the way to church, and then his wife got into service, and worshiped God like nothing was wrong. He was really irritated by that, and thought, "Who does she think she is? How can she pray and worship like everything is fine?" So after church he asked her, "Why were you praying and worshiping like that, when we had just been fighting?" To which the wife replied, "I was mad at you--not at God."
Now, I understand the concepts of sin coming between us and God, and I also understand that if we have a problem with a brother or sister, it can hinder our relationship with God, but on the other hand, there is a time for laying it all down and giving God His Time anyway. And I don't call that hypocrisy. I think it's kind of self-centered to walk into church and sit all down in the dumps and upset with yourself and having a pity party because you did something wrong the day before. Get over it, tell God you're sorry, and worship Him like He deserves to be worshiped!
That's my sermon for today.
Good post! I have a few comments in response.
1. I only mentioned "shouting" because that was the subject of this thread. Although I agree with your comments about those who sing or play musical instruments, those things are not generally tied to one's supposed spiritual thermometer like shouting is.
2. I don't have a problem with anyone rejoicing before the Lord. Many times it may be a release from their everyday life. The point I was trying to make is that rejoicing before the Lord is not necessarily a spiritual determinator.
3. Just don't judge others when they don't dance and shout like you do. It is not the personality of some people to do that. When they were in the world, they were not the type to "party" or hoop and holler at ballgames. They are reserved and shy. This is their personality and in no way reflects on their love for God.
Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
I agree with the judging part, but I have known more than a few that danced before the Lord in church and later it was revealed that they had major sin in their life at the time.
I won't begrudge anyone rejoicing in the Lord. I think it's a beautiful thing.
I know some quiet folks who had sin in their lives too. I think we need to move past the fact that there are people pretending in every church, all across the world.
We should never throw the baby out with the bathwater. If we do, we'll be losing something very precious.
You are right, how high someone jumps should never be a gauge of their spirituality... but of course we shouldn't really be looking around and judging one another to begin with eh?
I don't think there are as many people who assume if you jump and shout and are demonstrative, that you are spiritual... as some may think. Most pastors I've been under used the quote "It's not how high you jump but how straight you walk when you come down" many times.
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Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
But I also love the Singing, the shouting, and even the dancing to the Lord.
Sometimes I cry out to Jesus in a LOUD voice, when I am in unimaginable pain. Or when I shout out my love for Him.
Sometimes I don't speak, I just am with Jesus.
Lord help me never to judge anyone's worship. Especially my brother's or sister's.
I agree! I really do not notice what is going on around me when I am praising the Lord. It really is between Him and I. But saying that, I desire to be in a shockamoo service!
forgot I was on a self-ban for a while. This issue was much too important not to address.
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