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Old 09-05-2008, 11:52 PM
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I think instead of pushing baptist junk on an Apostolic board, DanA ought to go find another bill price to corrupt. He did a fine job on ole bill.
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I think instead of pushing baptist junk on an Apostolic board, DanA ought to go find another bill price to corrupt. He did a fine job on ole bill.
Awwww come on Ferd !!! You can't blame Bill Price's instability on Dan.

Bill was unstable long before Dan A tried to be a friend to him.
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Awwww come on Ferd !!! You can't blame Bill Price's instability on Dan.

Bill was unstable long before Dan A tried to be a friend to him.
who do I blame your instability on?
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UPC Articles of Faith
REPENTANCE AND CONVERSION
Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and the Apostles emphasized it to both Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2:38, 11:18, 17:30).

The word "repentance" comes from several Greek words which mean, change of views and purpose, change of heart, change of mind, change of life, to transform, etc.

Jesus said, -except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Luke 24:47 says, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."


WATER BAPTISM
The scriptural mode of baptism is immersion, and is only for those who have fully repented, having turned from their sins and a love of the world. It should be administered by a duly authorized minister of the Gospel, in obedience to the Word of God, and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the Acts of the Apostles 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5; thus obeying and fulfilling Matthew 28:19.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan

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UPC Articles of Faith
REPENTANCE AND CONVERSION
Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and the Apostles emphasized it to both Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2:38, 11:18, 17:30).

The word "repentance" comes from several Greek words which mean, change of views and purpose, change of heart, change of mind, change of life, to transform, etc.

Jesus said, -except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Luke 24:47 says, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."


WATER BAPTISM
The scriptural mode of baptism is immersion, and is only for those who have fully repented, having turned from their sins and a love of the world. It should be administered by a duly authorized minister of the Gospel, in obedience to the Word of God, and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the Acts of the Apostles 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5; thus obeying and fulfilling Matthew 28:19.
Prax,

Good to see you...I said the same thing but you say it much better. We need your scriptural expertise and solid practical stance on things.

Blessings, Rhoni
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I think instead of pushing baptist junk on an Apostolic board, DanA ought to go find another bill price to corrupt. He did a fine job on ole bill.
Ferd,

Every man/woman is responsibile for their own soul. Dan was not the beginning nor the ending of the emotional and spiritual fluctuations of our friend. There are times for personal accountablity and Christian maturity. Every man/woman must practice the spiritual disciplines and pray for an ear and heart that is in tune with the word as it is being preached/taught.

Stop blaming Dan, or anyone for that matter...pray for Bill.

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Ferd,

Every man/woman is responsibile for their own soul. Dan was not the beginning nor the ending of the emotional and spiritual fluctuations of our friend. There are times for personal accountablity and Christian maturity. Every man/woman must practice the spiritual disciplines and pray for an ear and heart that is in tune with the word as it is being preached/taught.

Stop blaming Dan, or anyone for that matter...pray for Bill.

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you already said that. It didnt work the first time. it sure wont this time....

first thing I do when I read things is consider the source.
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you already said that. It didnt work the first time. it sure wont this time....

first thing I do when I read things is consider the source.
piddle-de doo.

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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan

Dan,

I worked a 12 hour shift and have lost the energy to sharpen swords with you tonight.

So just to get started here are my premises in the form of a syllogism:

First a presupposition: Remission and Forgiveness is the same thing, they come from the same Greek word. This is not to say a Greek word cannot have a variety of meanings, but the meanings of "aphesis" are all very similar: release, pardon, cancellation, forgiveness, remission and the majority of the time are linked with sin. (I would like to see someone present a contrary opinion with scriptural proof.)

1) Sins are remitted by the applied blood of Jesus Christ.

2) Remission of sins takes place at water baptism in Jesus name.

3) Therefore, the blood of Christ is applied at water baptism.


I'll give scriptural proof for these premises tomorrow.
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