Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[pelathais]

How about this... can anyone bring forth real evidence that the use of a woman's uncut hair has ever been efficacious in bringing about a genuine miracle? There have been many claims and a lot of noise now about how we should just accept this practice because despite the constant appeals made by its proponents to articles and encyclopedias on witchcraft, this doesn't really involve anything like witchcraft. And, "many miracles" have taken place and "several prayers" have been answered.

How about a "Mount Carmel" exercise? Bring forth your uncut hair "aids to prayer" and let's see if God answers by fire.

And I mean real "fire" too. I've already seen the "prophets of Baal" jumping around and making a lot of noise. Let's see some fire from heaven if this is really what all the videos, sermons and books have claimed that it was.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How about this... can anyone bring forth real evidence that the use of a woman's uncut hair has ever been efficacious in bringing about a genuine miracle? There have been many claims and a lot of noise now about how we should just accept this practice because despite the constant appeals made by its proponents to articles and encyclopedias on witchcraft, this doesn't really involve anything like witchcraft. And, "many miracles" have taken place and "several prayers" have been answered.

How about a "Mount Carmel" exercise? Bring forth your uncut hair "aids to prayer" and let's see if God answers by fire.

And I mean real "fire" too. I've already seen the "prophets of Baal" jumping around and making a lot of noise. Let's see some fire from heaven if this is really what all the videos, sermons and books have claimed that it was.

POTD!

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How about this... can anyone bring forth real evidence that the use of a woman's uncut hair has ever been efficacious in bringing about a genuine miracle? There have been many claims and a lot of noise now about how we should just accept this practice because despite the constant appeals made by its proponents to articles and encyclopedias on witchcraft, this doesn't really involve anything like witchcraft. And, "many miracles" have taken place and "several prayers" have been answered.

Pel, this statement was not made in integrity. How many times has LS referenced encyclopedias on witchcraft? I have only seen one single clip. Also, when I heard him recently, there was no allusion to witchcraft at all....

Originally Posted by pelathais

How about a "Mount Carmel" exercise? Bring forth your uncut hair "aids to prayer" and let's see if God answers by fire.

And I mean real "fire" too. I've already seen the "prophets of Baal" jumping around and making a lot of noise. Let's see some fire from heaven if this is really what all the videos, sermons and books have claimed that it was.

You clearly are rejecting the testimonies of anyone who claims to have received or observed such a miracle. I have already stated, I personally have met a young man who was in a tragic, near fatal auto accident. He was on the verge of having internal surgury that would have put him with a colostomy bag the rest of his life. A praying sister in the church went into his hospital room the night before some final tests before surgery, laid her hair out over the young man and prayed and wept. The tests the following day confirmed the situation had "reversed itself", and the young man is now in his early 20's living for God! I met both the woman and the young man personally. I also met the driver of the automobile, who was a pastor of a local church, all had the same testimony as well as hospital tests and documents to verify the situation. Now, if you're are on a witch hunt for the sake of witch hunt, no amount of provided "evidence" or testimony is going to satisfy you... if you have a discriminate but open mind about God's miracle working power, you may possibly concede that anything is a possibility with God. These are not witchcraft practitioners, they are fully regenerated apostolic believers.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Pel, this statement was not made in integrity. How many times has LS referenced encyclopedias on witchcraft? I have only seen one single clip. Also, when I heard him recently, there was no allusion to witchcraft at all....

Actually the reference was made in the book My Hair My Glory by Juli Jasinski and Stoneking lifted her pretty much verbatim. Its one of the best sellers at PPH and at the womens conferences.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Actually the reference was made in the book My Hair My Glory by Juli Jasinski and Stoneking lifted her pretty much verbatim. Its one of the best sellers at PPH and at the womens conferences.

Haven't seen the book, let alone read it. She appeals to witchcraft as an example of long hair power? If this is the case and what Pel was referencing, I'll apologize to him.. I was under the impression that the LS message was the one being identified...

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I have already stated, I personally have met a young man who was in a tragic, near fatal auto accident. He was on the verge of having internal surgury that would have put him with a colostomy bag the rest of his life. A praying sister in the church went into his hospital room the night before some final tests before surgery, laid her hair out over the young man and prayed and wept. The tests the following day confirmed the situation had "reversed itself", and the young man is now in his early 20's living for God! I met both the woman and the young man personally. I also met the driver of the automobile, who was a pastor of a local church, all had the same testimony as well as hospital tests and documents to verify the situation.

Would the young man have been as likely to be healed if she hadn't laid her hair out over him? *Merely* prayed, and believed?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Would the young man have been as likely to be healed if she hadn't laid her hair out over him? *Merely* prayed, and believed?

Yes, I think so... but I also think this is another case where individual faith can be elevated... Laying out hair does nothing for God, but it may do something for the petitioner reminding themselves that they have been faithful, that they do have a right to petition God, and that God said he would hear. Faith, when it comes to believing for miracles, is one of those aspects of Christianity that is somewhat elusive to grasp, but sometimes unconventional demonstrative acts do something in inidividual's perception, that allows them to believe and see their need provided.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Pel, this statement was not made in integrity. How many times has LS referenced encyclopedias on witchcraft? I have only seen one single clip. Also, when I heard him recently, there was no allusion to witchcraft at all....



You clearly are rejecting the testimonies of anyone who claims to have received or observed such a miracle. I have already stated, I personally have met a young man who was in a tragic, near fatal auto accident. He was on the verge of having internal surgury that would have put him with a colostomy bag the rest of his life. A praying sister in the church went into his hospital room the night before some final tests before surgery, laid her hair out over the young man and prayed and wept. The tests the following day confirmed the situation had "reversed itself", and the young man is now in his early 20's living for God! I met both the woman and the young man personally. I also met the driver of the automobile, who was a pastor of a local church, all had the same testimony as well as hospital tests and documents to verify the situation. Now, if you're are on a witch hunt for the sake of witch hunt, no amount of provided "evidence" or testimony is going to satisfy you... if you have a discriminate but open mind about God's miracle working power, you may possibly concede that anything is a possibility with God. These are not witchcraft practitioners, they are fully regenerated apostolic believers.

BD, if I may present an observation here, you are asking us to believe your anectdotal story about this young man, and yet when Dizzy mentioned something she had heard with her own ears, you accused her of being "flagrantly defamatory, I believe........and making assumptions and "libelous statements".......when she was just relating personal experience to prove her point..........see why some of us are a bit confused?

You chastise us for "rejecting testimonies" of folks who were healed thru the laying on of the hair, it's only fair that we should ask you to offer the same proof that you ask of us when we relate stories of LS and his preaching.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

BD, if I may present an observation here, you are asking us to believe your anectdotal story about this young man, and yet when Dizzy mentioned something she had heard with her own ears, you accused her of being "flagrantly defamatory, I believe........and making assumptions and "libelous statements".......when she was just relating personal experience to prove her point..........see why some of us are a bit confused?

I can see what you are saying. My response to Dizzy was too reactionary... My perception was that she already had a bias regarding this subject, and that what she heard and the way she presented it was not objective, and I also perceived her intent may have been malicious. Thus in that instant, I admit my perceptions may have been inaccurate, and my response contributed to the deterioration in rhetoric at that point. Good observation MP....

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

You chastise us for "rejecting testimonies" of folks who were healed thru the laying on of the hair, it's only fair that we should ask you to offer the same proof that you ask of us when we relate stories of LS and his preaching.

I understand your angst here. I am not trying to offer anecdotal evidence on it's own, as in a preacher who merely offers unsubstiantiated story upon story that supports his premise. And I understand someone wanting hard fact evidence. I can assure that this was a real instant, I can name names and places, but I will not if only for the protection of the sanctity of those involved. If that means my recount of the testimonies of those involved in this incident (which I heard directly from the people involved on a person to person basis, not from pulpit anecdotes) is disregarded as anecdotal, so be it.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I can see what you are saying. My response to Dizzy was too reactionary... My perception was that she already had a bias regarding this subject, and that what she heard and the way she presented it was not objective, and I also perceived her intent may have been malicious. Thus in that instant, I admit my perceptions may have been inaccurate, and my response contributed to the deterioration in rhetoric at that point. Good observation MP....



I understand your angst here. I am not trying to offer anecdotal evidence on it's own, as in a preacher who merely offers unsubstiantiated story upon story that supports his premise. And I understand someone wanting hard fact evidence. I can assure that this was a real instant, I can name names and places, but I will not if only for the protection of the sanctity of those involved. If that means my recount of the testimonies of those involved in this incident (which I heard directly from the people involved on a person to person basis, not from pulpit anecdotes) is disregarded as anecdotal, so be it.

Fair enough, thanks for your response. I should have taken this tack in the first place, I was just pointing out why some of us may have been a little defensive in the beginning.