The Trouble With Apostolics is... - Page 12

Hoovie · #**111** 07-13-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Great post!!

I've seen through the flaws of these analogies a long long time ago. Comparing how you act at a football game to how you should act in church is as flawed as saying "And if you moan with pleasure during sex how much MORE should moan in pleasure in your praise toward God during church!". Different reactions toward different life experiences.

Well this post should probably be reported...

but your point stands.

We can make a case for God speaking in a "small voice" and a time of "silence" in heaven, and falling "face down" before God. None of this is loud or boisterous.

I could say, "you were quiet with respect in the courtroom this week, how dare you come before God and act like you are at a rock concert or football game!"

RandyWayne · #**112** 07-13-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Well this post should probably be reported...

but your point stands.

We can make a case for God speaking in a "small voice" and a time of "silence" in heaven, and falling "face down" before God. None of this is loud or boisterous.

I could say, "you were quiet with respect in the courtroom this week, how dare you come before God and act like you are at a rock concert or football game!"

I tried coming up with the most extreme example I could to make the point.

Praxeas · #**113** 07-13-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Why not ? I think the first one as it stands is a misperception. Put it in context with the rest of them. That was probably the intent of the poster to single that line out of context.

Because you don't HAVE to jump or shout to be for Jesus

"If you don't stand up, shout, jump up and down for Jesus, I'm wondering who you are for!"

Praxeas · #**114** 07-13-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I believe it was generalizing also. However, the football analogy is getting old for me. No one expects a crowd to act the same way at both functions.

Sports is not worship and worship is not sports. Take your football somewhere else and get it out from behind the pulpit.

God, I am so sick of the football analogy. One time I wanted to stand up, get a couple of hankies out of my purse to use as pompoms and start screaming like an idiot - "GOOOOOOO, Jesus!!!! GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!"

You know that episode on Happy Days where Richie Cunningham is getting ready for a free throw and it's really, really quiet? His mother shouts, "GOOO Richie!!!!"

Found it! Download and start watching at 4:53.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc4Ww...feature=relmfu

Teach me something about Jesus and you will see worship. And that is not to say Jesus is not being taught in the Apostolic movement. He certainly is and there is excellent preaching, worship and commitment. I am only speaking to this one issue on the football analogy - clarifying for the negative people. LOL!

Exactly..are we supposed to be cheering God or worshipping Him. God forbid someone spikes their bible and does the shuffle in church.

Praxeas · #**115** 07-13-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

People who hang out with the pigs eventually become the pigs.

No they don't. Biology 101...they become Pig Farmers!

Second, you assume they are all hanging out with each other. In fact in my area the Conservatives have Left the UPC and mostly before that shunned the moderates.

Guilt by association is faulty logic. Next thing we'll hear is we are all pedophiles or we are all the kind of Christians that burned heretics at the stake or we all are Muslim hating Crusaders or Hatemongering White Christians because they all called themselves Christians

Sam · #**116** 07-13-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Because you don't HAVE to jump or shout to be for Jesus

"If you don't stand up, shout, jump up and down for Jesus, I'm wondering who you are for!"

Well, if you want to be like Jesus you have to jump, shout, dance, spin, and run around, etc like He did. The scribes and the lawyers were constantly referring to him as "Jumping Jesus" when they spoke about him.

AreYouReady? · #**117** 07-13-2012, 10:15 PM

We used to have a preacher in this area called Jumping Jack R*****.

scotty · #**118** 07-14-2012, 06:17 AM

Geezzz.

The point is not the "jump,run, shout" part. The point is going all out for that then sitting in church like you have no pulse. Or better yet, taking the time and money to do all the other but nobody has time for God's work.

Maybe preachers need to start dumbing the message down so people get it.

houston · #**119** 07-14-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Geezzz.

The point is not the "jump,run, shout" part. The point is going all out for that then sitting in church like you have no pulse. Or better yet, taking the time and money to do all the other but nobody has time for God's work.

Maybe preachers need to start dumbing the message down so people get it.

That is not the point. Preachers are not happy until church looks like a circus. They'd set up rings of fire if there was no risk that the holy magic hair would go up in flames.

scotty · #**120** 07-14-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

That is not the point. Preachers are not happy until church looks like a circus. They'd set up rings of fire if there was no risk that the holy magic hair would go up in flames.

Sounds you have been to some seriously wierd churches.

Which is what usually happens when things are taken out of context. Someone only sees what is a flash point for them so they can pull out the soapbox.