Does the golden rule save without the cross?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No Muslim believes that!

it is irrelevant to me what a Muslim believes, if they have faith in God. What is relevant to me here is "teachers" who cannot witness any sins against them teaching hate as being Christian, which is i guess what you believe. And i think that has been pretty thoroughly dismantled at this point, so unless you would like to explore your own beliefs some more, or rather, stridently defend them so that others might see, or maybe bash Trinnies if you're Oneness, or Oneness if you're Trinny, whatever, which i couldn't be much help with anyway, then nice talking with you.

[shazeep]

for anyone who genuinely struggles with this Muslim fixation thing, or judging others in general, getting a basic definition of Codependence will help a lot, since that is patently all we are talking about. If you are a pastor, i would suggest becoming more knowledgeable, if not expert, in the subject, which is only not taught in high school because they are busy causing codependence.

[mfblume]

"dismantled."

Experts without experience.

Legends in one's own mind.

Remember, this is a situation where one wouldn't tell a muslim about the cross. Goes in synch with folks who really do not care what muslims believe.

[shazeep]

hmm, "destroyed" might be more relevant, but i was trying to be kind.

i would certainly recommend a pastor become expert about codependence, and i am not implying that i am; but of course you already knew that.

and we have already engaged on "belief," wherein you essentially agreed with me? eventually, of course, but nonetheless. satan believes, too? So this is belief as distinct from faith. But you already knew that, too. So i'm not getting your points, i guess.

What would it take for a plantation owner to realize slave-holding is immoral?
What does it matter, as long as it is recognized, and steps are taken to abolish it?
What can be said about the plantation owner's state, post-abolition?

i would be contemplating these, being as how the associations are so clear, and we don't need to speculate on them.

[mfblume]

Paul said he determined to know nothing among the Corinthians save Christ and him crucified. I guess he should have said everything except Christ and him crucified, lest a Muslim hear of the cross.

[shazeep]

i would be worrying about my own salvation if i were you, Mr B.

[mfblume]

Safe and secure in his righteousness by the cross and not my good works. Anyone else who stands elsewhere is the one to be concerned. Especially those who don't see the cross of Christ as paramount in all we could share to the lost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it is irrelevant to me what a Muslim believes, if they have faith in God.

Well that's typical of you. Your belief system is totally motivated by your whims. Do your parents still support you? Do you get a monthly stipend from a trust? What is it you actually do for a living? Do you also believe the world is flat and the pyramids were built by giants 300 feet tall?

Originally Posted by shazeep

What is relevant to me

Yes indeed. It's always about you. You see, God isn't God. You are god, and what pops up in your mind, and if it feels good to you. It's law, and should be taken serious by all the other pygmies around you. You are the one eyed man and sadly with are the pygmy blind. We need to gather at your feet, because after all, it only has to be relevant to you.

Originally Posted by shazeep

What is relevant to me here is "teachers" who cannot witness any sins against them teaching hate as being Christian, which is i guess what you believe.

Well, you guess wrong again. But that's the way you want it. Can't witness any sins against "them?" Sir, this may seem like a shock to you but they believe the teachings of devils and therefore since they believe a teaching of devils they are led away from the Cross of Christ. They don't believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. The Jesus who they supposedly believe in is another Jesus. One who is totally different from the one found in the Bible. Yet, you could care less about any of that, because you have a religion based on your own measure, your own standard. You no more care about what Muslims believe as you do on what the Bible says.

Hey, you have your own personal Jesus.

Originally Posted by shazeep

And i think that has been pretty thoroughly dismantled at this point, so unless you would like to explore your own beliefs some more, or rather, stridently defend them so that others might see, or maybe bash Trinnies if you're Oneness, or Oneness if you're Trinny, whatever, which i couldn't be much help with anyway, then nice talking with you.

There you again. It's all about you. You against the world, standing akimbo, proclaiming YOUR truthisms to all those who will listen. You beat your little tin drum and when someone is foolish enough to tell you..."no." You start your campain against them. Oh, Deacon Blues, I know it's spelled wrong, please forgive me.

[shazeep]

sorry EB, i don't really see anything in there to reply to; you must be right.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Safe and secure in his righteousness by the cross and not my good works. Anyone else who stands elsewhere is the one to be concerned. Especially those who don't see the cross of Christ as paramount in all we could share to the lost.

a bit curious tho that whenever i quote Christ you have a hissy fit, don't you think? Wadr you have gone beyond simple denial, a long time ago. I understand, and again i wish we were more anonymous, that your doctrine might be more removed from you personally, and i repeat that at least you are running cold, a la Saul, because you apparently really believe...what basically every other religious fundamentalist has ever believed, and at least you stand up for it.

so truly, i hope this conversation allows for your fall to be from a curb, and not a cliff, as so often seems to happen. When you grasp that "acknowledge Christ, and He will acknowledge you" is more than lip service, from one side of your mouth, you will come to see that Love your neighbor; this fulfills the law and prophets is the most profound Scripture you have.

Sure, you will have to give up your charter or whatever, but i don't think you have put up with as much pain from me as you have for nothing. And i won't lie, it is prolly impossible to step off a curb, i guess it has to be a cliff, else there is no trust required. You guys have a nice week.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

sorry EB, i don't really see anything in there to reply to; you must be right.

a bit curious tho that whenever i quote Christ you have a hissy fit, don't you think? Wadr you have gone beyond simple denial, a long time ago. I understand, and again i wish we were more anonymous, that your doctrine might be more removed from you personally, and i repeat that at least you are running cold, a la Saul, because you apparently really believe...what basically every other religious fundamentalist has ever believed, and at least you stand up for it.

so truly, i hope this conversation allows for your fall to be from a curb, and not a cliff, as so often seems to happen. When you grasp that "acknowledge Christ, and He will acknowledge you" is more than lip service, from one side of your mouth, you will come to see that Love your neighbor; this fulfills the law and prophets is the most profound Scripture you have.

Sure, you will have to give up your charter or whatever, but i don't think you have put up with as much pain from me as you have for nothing. And i won't lie, it is prolly impossible to step off a curb, i guess it has to be a cliff, else there is no trust required. You guys have a nice week.

So to be saved one has to agree with Shazeep.

Got it.