Public school and the Christian parent

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Because you are my brother. You know how to relay your thoughts intelligently. You aren't all over the place like a Gold Wing electrical schematic. We probably agree on more things then we disagree.

Us internet bullies gotta stick together, I guess? lol

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

And I?

You're probably all right. Depends on whether or not you can shockamoo, tho...

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You're probably all right. Depends on whether or not you can shockamoo, tho...

Came close at cell group. Got a little wild.. I raised a holy hand. Hallelujah!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's funny, I've been a blue collar construction worker all my life. Yet, no pipe dreams were needed. Go figure.

"I've been a blue collar construction worker all my life."... "pipe dream"...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

All are viable options IF they are all CHRISTIAN in their pedagogy. American public schools are not (by law), therefore are not a viable option. Once again, the issue isn't academic performance or social skill sets. The issue is the Bible commands Christian education, not secular, for children of Christians.

The Bible commands that parents raise their children in the fear and admonition of the LORD. That can be done even in cultures that do not have a public educational system. That can be done in a "Christian" educational system. And, it can be done in a culture that has a purely secular educational system.

Now, we do agree that a secular educational system presents challenges. But this doesn't equate to a ticket to Hell.

Can we agree on that much?

[Aquila]

Now, we're Apostolic. This opens another can of worms. If it is a mortal sin to send your child to a secular school, then is it not equally a mortal sin to send your child to an Evangelical Christian school or even a Catholic school? Doesn't this imply that unless an Apostolic parent sends their child to an "Apostolic" school, or homeschools, they will suffer eternal torments?

[Aquila]

Regarding government authority and civil obedience, Paul wrote:

Romans 13:1-7 English Standard Version (ESV)
1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

1 Peter 2:13-14 English Standard Version (ESV)
13 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, 14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Paul wrote this in the present tense, speaking of the government that then was. Now, that government wasn't "Christian". In fact, it was pagan, hedonistic, and even in some cases hostile to Christianity. The emperors claimed divine authority, honor, and worship. And eventually, this very government that Paul admonishes Christians to peacefully submit to executed the Apostle.

Yet based on Paul's words, that Roman government was "instituted by God", and whosoever rebels against said government would incur the judgment of God. And Christians were to seek approval and acceptance with said government, knowing the government serves a greater good by preventing total chaos, by punishing wrong doers. And so, Christians were to obey the institutions of earthly Roman government, pay taxes, give due honor, and due respect.

Today, we live in a nation with a secular non-sectarian government. It is often hostile to religion. And it is especially hostile when religions seek to impose their beliefs on others. But America isn't as bad as ancient Rome was by any stretch of the imagination. And it is a law in the United States that parents educate their children. And, this government not only allows for religions to provide a religious education for those families and children who are religious, but it provides a non-sectarian, non-religious, public educational system for those families and religious bodies who do not have the resources, skill, or ability to send their children to private religious schools. And yes, depending on the staff and/or teachers in these institutions (many of which are indeed Christian), a school may be friendly, neutral, or hostile to overt religious proselytizing, pandering, or practice on the premises... especially if any of these things might appear to be endorsed by the institution. Ultimately, this is "intended" to keep the peace among the student body and the community at large.

We are not to adore, be allegiant to, nor worship any earthly government (pagan, secular, or religious). Though we are to seek to live at peace with earthly governments as we seek Christian autonomy with regards to faith and practice. This is why some Christians do not swear oaths or testify in earthly courts, why some Christians do not stand or cover their hearts for the anthem, participate in military service, or enter any profession that might require them to use deadly force under the authority of said earthly government. We were, are, and always will be the Kingdom of God regardless of what earthly construct exists around us. And this will be so until Christ returns and all earthly authority is subdued... by Him personally.

That being said, if a Christian must send their child to public school due to circumstance, it is no sin. However, the challenges are real and the Christian parent does well to get to know the specific school their child attends and what challenges they might have to face and prepare their child appropriately.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

"I've been a blue collar construction worker all my life."... "pipe dream"...

Carpentry, equipment operator, boilermaker, and pipe layer. Got an issue with that, office boy?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Carpentry, equipment operator, boilermaker, and pipe layer. Got an issue with that, office boy?

Nope. I think it's cool. I just thought your pun was funny.

I've served in the military as a tanker and medic. I've been an EMT-P and a therapeutic programmer for the MRDD. I got tired of working in healthcare and got into computers and worked as a helpdesk technician for Key Bank, National City Mortgage, and LexisNexis. I worked as network security administrator for the government supporting various law enforcement departments and been a member of AFSCME for over 14 years now. Recently, they started cross training me on police dispatch so that I can fill in when necessary.

In the military they always said, "You can work hard or work smart." I did my time serving my country and supported my community in EMS. It was some pretty physical work. I chose to engage brain and avoided having to work in the back breaking manual labor stuff. As I got older, I chose to get into computers. "Office boys" like me leave that for the tough guys like you. lol

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Which I did not do. Read it again.

No, that is the impression you have given with many your responses. Your replies can be very condescending. And I will use some of your replies to me as exhibit A.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you see the video from "Brother Nathanael" I posted in this thread?

I do not give much credence to controlled opposition. No; I didn’t watch that video, and probably will not.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Brother Benincasa and I get along just fine, in spite of our differences. I wonder why that is?

Because EB chose to attack me first and I do not see him changing anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, unrepented sin will get a wink and a nod from God? If you're poor? Maybe? How does that work?

Exhibit A. Poor as in lack of resources financially. Uneducated in not knowing where resources are available or could teach their children themselves. Sorry, you cannot frame a personal viewpoint from your interpretation of scriptures and deem it sin. When I do something wrong the Holyghost checks me with his word and Spirit. I believe he deals with everyone of His children in the same way.

Originally Posted by Esaias

What questions? BTW, we homeschooled even when we had no income and were living in a friend's garage. We've been a single income blue collar po white trailer park living family with 7 kids, 2 dogs, 18 cats, and Grandma and Grandpa (who had suffered a stroke and was half paralyzed) for years and still homeschooled. So, you were saying?

Exhibit A: You do realize this self-affirmation is boasting and prideful. Esaias is a overcomer, so nobody has any excuses! WOW!

Originally Posted by Esaias

There is no anointing in anyone's life who willfully disobeys the Word. Goosebumps don't count.

Exhibit A: This was not even an answer, but a diatribe. Now Esaias sets the premise of who can and cannot be anointed? To defend your position your willing to mock people's perceptions of His spiritual presence? If anybody needs to do some repenting, it’s you my friend.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Lost people's hope is in the grace of God, not in Christian parents sending God's little ones to the slaughterhouse to play saviour.

Exhibit A: It is apparent that you cannot answer the questions, so you resort Ad hominems.

Matthew 19:14 (KJV) But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't face the corruption at the local strip joint by offering my daughters to the owner to become employees there.

Exhibit A: Sounds like a political stump speech. Another Ad hominem, Yawn!

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't put anyone anywhere. God's Word is the standard and Jesus is the Judge, all I do is point out what He says in the Word.

You interpret his word to the best of your ability, but you have no more knowledge than I. You may have a different perspective from your life encounters, but we have the same Holyghost. There is a common salvation, but each child of God has unique attributes and misgivings that our Lord accounts for in their walk. I could not go into a bar and witness because of what God brought me from. But someone who has never been tempted by alcohol can go into a bar and help his friend sober up and get right. Your conclusion is all yours, but you could sell the audio for 6.95 plus shipping to EB. And your position that if saints do not see your interpretation on this subject then they are in danger of Hell. Yes, you are saying your interpretation is infallible, just like the Word itself. The scriptures; when written by the prophets and apostles, were a infallible portion of the revealed Word of God given to men. The translations are not infallible, but the Word written in our hearts by the Holyghost is infallible. But as Paul said we see through a glass darkly and we pursue perfection. No; Esaias you have not arrived to perfection, but neither have I.

1 Corinthians 13:12 (KJV) For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Selah