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Originally Posted by mfblume
Onefaith2, thanks for being open enough to consider why we believe what we believe, rather than use juvenile expletives in a spirit of closed mindedness.
What setting is Paul talking about? General life? Or church?
He said men should be lifting up holy hands. What is that referring to? Men are not intended to raise their hands in worship everywhere they go, whether at work or in a store or talking to a neighbour in their front yards. This is referring to IN CHURCH. Where do we raise our hands? In Church gatherings. This is speaking of church meetings. Similarly the women are likewise directed as to how to appear in Church gatherings.
You can appreciate the intention by considering how many women are tempted to come to church to show off their luxurious clothing and to attempt to "better" themselves in comparison to the next sister in church. Ever see those flamboyant hats with the huge feathers and gaudy looking necklaces that are simply intended to out-dazzle the other sisters. It is a veritable fashion show in many such churches. THAT is Paul's point, not what to wear in everyday life. And he is not saying it is fine to be flamboyant in everyday life, either.
But the context is IN CHURCH. You focused on the "without wrath or doubting", but Paul's qualifier is the "lifting up holy hands" which is done in church settings.
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There was no "church" for the early church as we know it. Actually if you look at other translations they all conclude everwhere, every place.
1 Timothy 2:8 (New International Version)
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.
1 Timothy 2:8 (New American Standard Bible)
8Therefore (A)I want the men (B)in every place to pray, (C)lifting up (D)holy hands, without wrath and dissension.
1 Timothy 2:8 (The Message)
8-10Since prayer is at the bottom of all this, what I want mostly is for men to pray—not shaking angry fists at enemies but raising holy hands to God
1 Timothy 2:8 (Amplified Bible)
8I desire therefore that in every place men should pray, without anger or quarreling or resentment or doubt [in their minds], lifting up holy hands.
1 Timothy 2:8 (New Living Translation)
8 In every place of worship, I want men to pray with holy hands lifted up to God, free from anger and controversy.
(do we only worship at church?)
1 Timothy 2:8 (English Standard Version)
8I desire then that(A) in every place the men should pray,(B) lifting(C) holy hands without anger or quarreling;
1 Timothy 2:8 (Contemporary English Version)
8I want everyone everywhere to lift innocent hands toward heaven and pray, without being angry or arguing with each other.
1 Timothy 2:8 (New Century Version)
8 So, I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up their hands in a holy manner, without anger and arguments.
1 Timothy 2:8 (GOD’S WORD Translation)
8I want men to offer prayers everywhere. They should raise their hands in prayer after putting aside their anger and any quarrels they have with anyone.
Sorry the overwhelming consensus does not limit it to church only.
Besides that would also still conclude no jewelry just at church for women?
Also even in the NLT we do not see specifically for church for women.. it just says their appearance. Honestly how can we compare that with
I Peter 3
1 Peter 3
1Wives, in a similar way, place yourselves under your husbands’ authority. Some husbands may not obey God’s word. Their wives could win these men for Christ by the way they live without saying anything. 2Their husbands would see how pure and reverent their lives are.
3Wives must not let their beauty be something external. Beauty doesn’t come from hairstyles, gold jewelry, or clothes. 4Rather, beauty is something internal that can’t be destroyed. Beauty expresses itself in a gentle and quiet attitude which God considers precious. 5After all, this is how holy women who had confidence in God expressed their beauty in the past. They placed themselves under their husbands’ authority 6as Sarah did. Sarah obeyed Abraham and spoke to him respectfully. You became Sarah’s daughters by not letting anything make you afraid to do good.
7Husbands, in a similar way, live with your wives with understanding since they are weaker than you are. Honor your wives as those who share God’s life-giving kindness[a] so that nothing will interfere with your prayers.
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