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[Rico]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Nope... never said that.

You are reading into what people are saying.

We are saying... if you are going to go to war... you need to declare war.

When we went to Afghanistan we should have declared war.

If Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 then we should have declared war.

So...

In your opinion...

Was Iraq involved in 9/11?

I will admit to not having followed everything Congress has done, but I seem to remember something about Congress voting to give the President war powers.

With regards to Iraq I doubt we will ever know the truth about what all they were planning. I have read stories that dealt with convoys of trucks leaving Iraq into Syria just prior to our invasion, that could have had the WMD on them.

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm a simple minded guy...

this is how I see It:

If America sits idley by and waits for them to attack our shores, it's like throwing out a welcome sign . Welcoming attacks.. and what not.

but I really don't like the idea of losing personal freedoms under the guise of national security.

1. Welcome sign? You mean like the southern border????

2. We were told that the evil Moslem Islamofascist terrorists hate our freedoms, and want to conduct terrorist attacks to destroy us and our freedoms.

Well, let's look at that.

Question: Can a bunch of ragheads in the desert backed by a bunch of hashish-smoking third world tin pot dictatorships really "Destroy America and take away our freedoms?"

Question: Why is it that - in order to "save America" and "protect our freedoms" - we are told we have to do away with the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, and habeus corpus, we have to enshrine torture and secret military tribunals as officially sanctioned policy, we need secret CIA-run prisons scattered around the world, people snatched and "disappeared" (no habeus corpus, remember?), Pentegon "advisors" advising on what major news networks can and cannot say, a White House office of propaganda feeding FAKE NEWS to not only foreign news reporters, but DOMESTIC NEWS REPORTERS AS WELL (ministry of propaganda, anyone?)...

Why is it we have to lose our freedoms in order to "save democracy"?

We talk about how evil these Arabs are, but what's the difference between Saddam's torture chambers and our own Abu Ghraib festivities?

Just exactly WHO is an actual threat to our freedoms?

Who is destroying the economy by shipping our entire industrial-manufacturing base overseas to third world (often COMMUNIST!) countries?

Is an open-ended, "endless war" against vague and undefined "enemies of the state", worldwide network of secret prisons, use of torture to elicit "confessions of crimes against the state", and official propaganda departments feeding news and "information" to domestic and foreign news services the hallmarks of a "free republic"? Is it not rather the hallmarks of a budding Commie/Fascist type dictatorship?

Rumsfield said several TRILLION DOLLARS in Pentagon money just disappeared, and "nobody knows where it went". Yeah, just like the millions of tons of solid steel support columns in WTC 1 and 2 - poof, up in smoke, vaporised...

Now we hear that MILLIONS of barrels of oil have "disappeared" from Iraq... Folks, you don't just shoplift millions of barrels of oil and hock it down at Habib's pawn shop.

The traitors in charge are yammering about a "North American Union". We just agreed to blend in with the EU in the meantime, for crying out loud!

Quite simply, a bunch of mafioso's have got their fingers in America's pie and are pilfering and embezzling the entire nation into total bankruptcy.

Illegal aliens (who are CRIMINALS!) get to march and riot in the streets, but American's who show up carrying signs opposing the illegal invaders are AUTOMATICALLY ARRESTED ON SITE! (Just happened in Seattle, in fact...)

And Rudy "hurry up and sweep the crime scene and bury the remains of the 911 victims in the nearest landfill" Giuliani is supposed to be a "conservative Republican"??????

McCain?????

Romney????

Get REAL folks!

ONLY Ron Paul is a CONSERVATIVE. A TRUE conservative. A PRO AMERICA conservative.

Something the fake "conservative" neo-con closet fascist Hannity's of the world despise.



Thank God for Ron Paul!

[Ferd]

what out, here come the conspiracy theories!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

1. Welcome sign? You mean like the southern border????

2. We were told that the evil Moslem Islamofascist terrorists hate our freedoms, and want to conduct terrorist attacks to destroy us and our freedoms.

Well, let's look at that.

Question: Can a bunch of ragheads in the desert backed by a bunch of hashish-smoking third world tin pot dictatorships really "Destroy America and take away our freedoms?"

Question: Why is it that - in order to "save America" and "protect our freedoms" - we are told we have to do away with the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, and habeus corpus, we have to enshrine torture and secret military tribunals as officially sanctioned policy, we need secret CIA-run prisons scattered around the world, people snatched and "disappeared" (no habeus corpus, remember?), Pentegon "advisors" advising on what major news networks can and cannot say, a White House office of propaganda feeding FAKE NEWS to not only foreign news reporters, but DOMESTIC NEWS REPORTERS AS WELL (ministry of propaganda, anyone?)...

Why is it we have to lose our freedoms in order to "save democracy"?

We talk about how evil these Arabs are, but what's the difference between Saddam's torture chambers and our own Abu Ghraib festivities?

Just exactly WHO is an actual threat to our freedoms?

Who is destroying the economy by shipping our entire industrial-manufacturing base overseas to third world (often COMMUNIST!) countries?

Is an open-ended, "endless war" against vague and undefined "enemies of the state", worldwide network of secret prisons, use of torture to elicit "confessions of crimes against the state", and official propaganda departments feeding news and "information" to domestic and foreign news services the hallmarks of a "free republic"? Is it not rather the hallmarks of a budding Commie/Fascist type dictatorship?

Rumsfield said several TRILLION DOLLARS in Pentagon money just disappeared, and "nobody knows where it went". Yeah, just like the millions of tons of solid steel support columns in WTC 1 and 2 - poof, up in smoke, vaporised...

Now we hear that MILLIONS of barrels of oil have "disappeared" from Iraq... Folks, you don't just shoplift millions of barrels of oil and hock it down at Habib's pawn shop.

The traitors in charge are yammering about a "North American Union". We just agreed to blend in with the EU in the meantime, for crying out loud!

Quite simply, a bunch of mafioso's have got their fingers in America's pie and are pilfering and embezzling the entire nation into total bankruptcy.

Illegal aliens (who are CRIMINALS!) get to march and riot in the streets, but American's who show up carrying signs opposing the illegal invaders are AUTOMATICALLY ARRESTED ON SITE! (Just happened in Seattle, in fact...)

And Rudy "hurry up and sweep the crime scene and bury the remains of the 911 victims in the nearest landfill" Giuliani is supposed to be a "conservative Republican"??????

McCain?????

Romney????

Get REAL folks!

ONLY Ron Paul is a CONSERVATIVE. A TRUE conservative. A PRO AMERICA conservative.

Something the fake "conservative" neo-con closet fascist Hannity's of the world despise.



Thank God for Ron Paul!

Quit beating around the bush and tell us what you really think, would ya?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Rico

Quit beating around the bush and tell us what you really think, would ya?

he thinks we live in Nazi occupied Germany and Herman Garing is in charge of Hollywood and GWB is actully hitler without the stupid mustach.

Pretty soon, the gubbermint is going to take away all of our farm animals and prevent us from growing our own food, then they will put us all in slave camps and make us worship owls and become masons.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Ferd

he thinks we live in Nazi occupied Germany and Herman Garing is in charge of Hollywood and GWB is actully hitler without the stupid mustach.

Pretty soon, the gubbermint is going to take away all of our farm animals and prevent us from growing our own food, then they will put us all in slave camps and make us worship owls and become masons.

You forgot the part about the helicopters.

[CC1]

Ferd,

The good thing is we don't have to waste very much energy discussing this with the wacko's here because their man is at a whopping 2% in the legitimate polls of registered Republican voters. Ron Paul is going to fade faster than my summer tans.

He obviously has a fervent fan base but they could all fit in a VW bug with room to spare.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by CC1

Ferd,


He obviously has a fervent fan base but they could all fit in a VW bug with room to spare.

Kinda like those nekkid Pentecostals. No one really took them seriously.

[berkeley]

1. Welcome sign? You mean like the southern border????
YES, I HATE HAVING OPEN BORDERS!!



2. We were told that the evil Moslem Islamofascist terrorists hate our freedoms, and want to conduct terrorist attacks to destroy us and our freedoms.


Well, let's look at that.

Question: Can a bunch of ragheads in the desert backed by a bunch of hashish-smoking third world tin pot dictatorships really "Destroy America and take away our freedoms?"
NOT ON THE SAME SCALE AS WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO IRAQ


Question: Why is it that - in order to "save America" and "protect our freedoms" - we are told we have to do away with the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, and habeus corpus, we have to enshrine torture and secret military tribunals as officially sanctioned policy, we need secret CIA-run prisons scattered around the world, people snatched and "disappeared" (no habeus corpus, remember?), Pentegon "advisors" advising on what major news networks can and cannot say, a White House office of propaganda feeding FAKE NEWS to not only foreign news reporters, but DOMESTIC NEWS REPORTERS AS WELL (ministry of propaganda, anyone?)...
DUDE, CHILL! I SAID THAT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE ARE LOSING OUR RIGHTS..


Why is it we have to lose our freedoms in order to "save democracy"?
WE DON'T HAVE TO, THAT'S JUST IT... AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND.. MAYBE GLENN BECK WAS RIGHT.. HE SAID THAT NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN REAL NEWS.. THEY WANT REPORTS ON PARIS HILTON GOING TO JAIL... LINDSAY LOHAN GETTING DRUNK, ETC..


We talk about how evil these Arabs are, but what's the difference between Saddam's torture chambers and our own Abu Ghraib festivities?
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE USE OF TORTURE, AND I SEE VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by CC1

Ferd,

The good thing is we don't have to waste very much energy discussing this with the wacko's here because their man is at a whopping 2% in the legitimate polls of registered Republican voters. Ron Paul is going to fade faster than my summer tans.

He obviously has a fervent fan base but they could all fit in a VW bug with room to spare.

LOL! I know.

Long live Fred Thompson.