Here we go again!! Where have I been? Another assumption, another guess, another false attempt to deflect the truth.
Aquila, where did I say that the Family WASN'T in shambles? And, what has that got to do with 2 men jumping into bed for anal intercourse??
I don't care how loving a Gay couple might be, the lifestyle is an abomination:
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
And, your only response to my point about the Bible leaning to a more Socialistic Society is, "Who put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Adam and Eve's back yard and gave them a choice?"
You see, your argument is weak and you know it is.
Actually the Bible lends itself to an agrarian form of distributism... not socialism. The two are quite different.
I don't care how loving a Gay couple might be, the lifestyle is an abomination:
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
I never said it wasn't an abomination. What I'm saying is that in America... you're free to commit abomination and answer to God. We don't need the GUBBERMENT spiritually babysitting people unless they endanger the life, liberty, or property of another. Besides... straight couples often do the same things. I guess the police should drive down the street spying on couples to arrest them for private behaviors in their own homes?
I really think it is a pointless debate to talk about what "SHOULD" happen as it relates to gay marriage in America.
The thing we as christians should be talking about is our reaction to it. There is no point getting bent out of shape because it is going to happen.
What is important is that we be clear that while we reject no human being, we refuse to embrace that which is called sin in the bible.
A person cannot be married to a member of the same sex. It cannot happen because it is a covanant between 2 people and God and God will not enter into a covanant that he has already called an abomination.
That does not mean that the goverment, which is purely (and rightfully) secular will agree with the church. But what the Church had better do is insure that we retain the right to not perform such ceremonies.
Please note, this means if you are part of a church, you church had better be careful to only perform marriages for people that agree with the bylaws you have established.
If you agree to marry two people who are athiests, then you have likely moved beyond the protection granted to churches. Because you have become an organization that provides a service to the public in general. That means you are subject to anti-discrimination laws.
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I really think it is a pointless debate to talk about what "SHOULD" happen as it relates to gay marriage in America.
The thing we as christians should be talking about is our reaction to it. There is no point getting bent out of shape because it is going to happen.
What is important is that we be clear that while we reject no human being, we refuse to embrace that which is called sin in the bible.
A person cannot be married to a member of the same sex. It cannot happen because it is a covanant between 2 people and God and God will not enter into a covanant that he has already called an abomination.
That does not mean that the goverment, which is purely (and rightfully) secular will agree with the church. But what the Church had better do is insure that we retain the right to not perform such ceremonies.
Please note, this means if you are part of a church, you church had better be careful to only perform marriages for people that agree with the bylaws you have established.
If you agree to marry two people who are athiests, then you have likely moved beyond the protection granted to churches. Because you have become an organization that provides a service to the public in general. That means you are subject to anti-discrimination laws.
I never said it wasn't an abomination. What I'm saying is that in America... you're free to commit abomination and answer to God. We don't need the GUBBERMENT spiritually babysitting people unless they endanger the life, liberty, or property of another. Besides... straight couples often do the same things. I guess the police should drive down the street spying on couples to arrest them for private behaviors in their own homes?
Exactly. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp.
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Exactly. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp.
The Government is involved because of abuse, neglect, and of course the children. This is why marriage affects our entire Society. When people become divorced, dead beat Dad's can walk away and hide to avoid financial support. Women can flee to another State to make the father angry.
Our Society is entirely different than it was even 100 years ago, and the Legal system is far more complicated, leaving married couples with a great amount of responsibility to deal with if there is a separation.
If people want marriage to be something that is not protected by modern Government(s), then we need to go back in time where "Red Tape" is not an issue. I work in the Insurance industry, owning and operating an Agency. If the Government wasn't involved with marital issues, including the legality of marriage, the negative ramifications within Insurance alone would be staggering.
Those of you against the Government having a hand in marriage, this would be a disaster in our current system of commerce and Law.
The Government is involved because of abuse, neglect, and of course the children. This is why marriage affects our entire Society. When people become divorced, dead beat Dad's can walk away and hide to avoid financial support. Women can flee to another State to make the father angry.
Our Society is entirely different than it was even 100 years ago, and the Legal system is far more complicated, leaving married couples with a great amount of responsibility to deal with if there is a separation.
If people want marriage to be something that is not protected by modern Government(s), then we need to go back in time where "Red Tape" is not an issue. I work in the Insurance industry, owning and operating an Agency. If the Government wasn't involved with marital issues, including the legality of marriage, the negative ramifications within Insurance alone would be staggering.
Those of you against the Government having a hand in marriage, this would be a disaster in our current system of commerce and Law.
I know this... the GOVERNMENT has no right to tell me who I can or cannot marry. PERIOD.
Now... the church can choose rather or not to recognize a marriage. Be it a straight marriage or not.
This entire debate is the PRIME reason why Government SHOULDN'T be involved in marriage. Duh!
Once you give GUBBERMENT authority over marriage... it has the power to REDEFINE it. You're not getting it NotForSale.
Government isn't static. Especially a democratic republic like our own. If you want to give marriage to government... you give the government power to redefine it. And guess what... that's what's happening.
If you agree to marry two people who are athiests, then you have likely moved beyond the protection granted to churches. Because you have become an organization that provides a service to the public in general. That means you are subject to anti-discrimination laws.
why would athiest want to get married in a church? wouldnt that even go against what they beleive
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