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View Poll Results: Does the golden rule save without Christ's cross?
Yes, I am saved without the cross, by doing good to others as I would have good done to me. 0 0%
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Old 09-04-2016, 04:06 PM
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

The Christ of our friend is not the Christ that Jesus Himself said He was:

John 11:25 KJV Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

How can He be resurrection without His personal death and subsequent resurrection? A crossless gospel as these people have does not involve resurrection, for to them there is no death to lead to a resurrection. And they talk about stirring problems when they quote Christ? They won't quote Christ speaking these words!
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

The SIN of neglecting the BLOOD OF JESUS.

(for those who see no sin in trashing this work of the cross).

Hebrews 2:3-4 KJV How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; (4) God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

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So to be saved one has to agree with Shazeep.

Got it.
i think if you just find yourself agreeing with Christ you will be fine, Esaias. If you have been led to "Love is for the confused" then i think that speaks for itself.

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God's love is in the cross of Jesus. That means crossless Gospels never see the greatest love. Any Less love and there are lesser loves, can't and won't save, no matter how hard people try to rip the cross out of salvation. This makes all other religions wrong, and skins of half-truths stuffed with lies.

Agreeing with Christ is believing the cross is an absolute must.
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

then it seems you would have to examine why you disagree with Christ every time He is quoted, don't you think?
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And that's why I agree with everything Christ stated!

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um...ya. At this point i don't think it is even necessary to bring up the quotes, you are just making it easier to make a case for denial being 'agreeing with Christ,' unless you backed up on "love is for the confused" somewhere and i missed it?
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

And Christ taught along with the apostles that belief in the heart THAT ONLY GOD SEES can save, despite all the mouth service anyone can exert without that heart-belief.

And it is cognitive dissonance that overlooks all the repeated explanations that faith ONLY GOD SEES is what saves.
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

Jesus pointed everything to the cross.

John 11:25 KJV Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

How can he be resurrection and life without death and burial first?



He introduced to them to salvation without works by FAITH.

John 6:28-35 KJV Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (30) They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? (31) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. (32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. (33) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. (34) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. (35) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

He spoke of himself as bread, then led them further and further to the concept of the cross.

John 6:40 KJV And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

He brought resurrection into the picture again, which the apostles later expounded upon and stated death with Christ leads to that resurrection.

John 6:53 KJV Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

After having stated the FLESH AND BLOOD give eternal life, they wondered if he meant cannibalism, and He explained that was a PICTURE of HIS WORD.

John 6:63-64 KJV It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (64) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

The flesh he spoke of is not the literal issue, but points to what they must BELIEVE in HIS WORD.

And we see it all come together at the end of His ministry, after having led them up to this through those who 3.5 years.

Matthew 26:26-28 KJV And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. (27) And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; (28) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The flesh and his blood point to the cross where he would be broken in death and shed blood for remission of sins.

ALL HE SAID pointed to that day of the cross. ALL.

And to stumble over the cross by missing how all he said pointed to it, with GENUINE FAITH and not empty altar activity and lip service that can be done without faith, but is necessarily to follow after GENUINE FAITH, is to be lost as lost can be.
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Re: Does the golden rule save without the cross?

is this an explanation of why "Love is for the confused," because i am missing the point if it is, sorry.
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And Christ taught along with the apostles that belief in the heart THAT ONLY GOD SEES can save, despite all the mouth service anyone can exert without that heart-belief.

And it is cognitive dissonance that overlooks all the repeated explanations that faith ONLY GOD SEES is what saves.
ok, how do you reconcile "they are all lost" with this, again?
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