Well, technically, He could have had to die for the sinners, but not for the sinless ones (if there were any).
That would mean there would be a rival for Jesus!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
If man has the potential to be sinless, who has achieved that potential? And if no man can... it really can't be considered a "potential". A potential is something that can indeed be accomplished.
One of the issues I have with the notion of man being able to be sinless is exactly that, we wouldn't need Jesus. The notion really puts the focus on man and man's ability... not Christ's redemptive work upon the cross.
You side this a minute after I did, but with more words. Bravo!
The issue of Christ's imputed righteousness is based upon Adam's imputed sin.
Also, Paul spoke as though it was granted that no one can serve God sinlessly aside from the cross when Paul wrote this:
Galatians 3:10-11 KJV For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
If one is cursed due to not fulfilling all the works of the law, then one might say, "Oh well, too bad for those who cannot fulfill it." But Paul said every one under law is automatically cursed. IOW, no one can possibly live sinlessly by knowing what to do in order to be sinless. All under law are cursed - period. Why? No one can keep it. This assumes no one can.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Paul also said that everyone in Adam shall die. Why?
1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV (22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
It is possible if you lived on a desert isle alone all of your life. The problem is that when we get to an accountable age which is determined I believe by when you actually know what sin is and willingly trespass which brings into account all the different definitions of sin
which are sin, trespasses and iniquities. Surprisingly these come from different Greek words. Anyway some one could still do all this but still would not have the Spirit which
raised Jesus from the dead (which we need that we may be quickened) because what
Adams sin did was place an angel with a flaming sword at the entrance of the garden
so that Adam could not eat of the tree of life in a sinful state. We still need the
power to live eternally.
It is possible if you lived on a desert isle alone all of your life.
I disagree. I think sin will occur whether one is in NY City or on an island all one's life. One is born "in Adam". And in Adam all die.
What are your thoughts about original sin in light of that statement by Paul?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
So, if there ever was a sinless person (besides Jesus), from birth till death, would salvation be needed? If there was no salvation (since it wasn't needed), would this hypothetical individual (perhaps impossible in reality) spend eternity in Heaven, along with all the sinners saved by grace?
(Posted the above in the wrong thread, a while ago, and this has at least partly been addressed since then. Apparently, the answer is: yes, salvation is still needed, and no, that sinless person would not make it to heaven without it. Because of Adam. Thanks a lot, grampa! )
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You side this a minute after I did, but with more words. Bravo!
The issue of Christ's imputed righteousness is based upon Adam's imputed sin.
Also, Paul spoke as though it was granted that no one can serve God sinlessly aside from the cross when Paul wrote this:
Galatians 3:10-11 KJV For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
If one is cursed due to not fulfilling all the works of the law, then one might say, "Oh well, too bad for those who cannot fulfill it." But Paul said every one under law is automatically cursed. IOW, no one can possibly live sinlessly by knowing what to do in order to be sinless. All under law are cursed - period. Why? No one can keep it. This assumes no one can.
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