Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

[jfrog]

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

If receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is required for salvation then every single person that has believed and been baptized must receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues or else Jesus was wrong about how he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (for there would be some that believed and were baptized but not saved). Therefore, all I need to find is one example of a person that believes and was baptized but never received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues to disprove that receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is required for salvation.

It's amazing how Mark 16:16 (one of the most cited 3 stepper scriptures in support of water baptism being salvational) actually disproves the 3rd step of the 3step doctrine (receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues being required for salvation).

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

If receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is required for salvation then every single person that has believed and been baptized must receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues or else Jesus was wrong about how he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (for there would be some that believed and were baptized but not saved). Therefore, all I need to find is one example of a person that believes and was baptized but never received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues to disprove that receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is required for salvation.

It's amazing how Mark 16:16 (one of the most cited 3 stepper scriptures in support of water baptism being salvational) actually disproves the 3rd step of the 3step doctrine (receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues being required for salvation).

Your arguement is simply not valid, Mark 16:16 does not specify repentence either, but surely you agree repentence is a must, so just because every verse that relates to salvation does not focus on every aspect of what is required does not mean it is not a must.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BroGary

Your arguement is simply not valid, Mark 16:16 does not specify repentence either, but surely you agree repentence is a must, so just because every verse that relates to salvation does not focus on every aspect of what is required does not mean it is not a must.

My argument is valid and even applies to repentance. I'll walk you through it.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

If repentance is required for salvation then every single person that has believed and been baptized must repent or else Jesus was wrong about how he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (for there would be some that believed and were baptized but not saved). Therefore, all I need to find is one example of a person that believes and was baptized but never repented to disprove that repenting is required for salvation.

I don't know of any such person do you? Therefore, everyone that believes and has been baptized has repented.

Further, believing on Jesus is the greatest form of repentance there is for there is no greater way that a man can turn from sin than by turning toward God and by believing on Jesus one has turned toward God.

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by jfrog

My argument is valid and even applies to repentance. I'll walk you through it.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

If repentance is required for salvation then every single person that has believed and been baptized must repent or else Jesus was wrong about how he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (for there would be some that believed and were baptized but not saved). Therefore, all I need to find is one example of a person that believes and was baptized but never repented to disprove that repenting is required for salvation.

I don't know of any such person do you? Therefore, everyone that believes and has been baptized has repented.

Further, believing on Jesus is the greatest form of repentance there is for there is no greater way that a man can turn from sin than by turning toward God and by believing on Jesus one has turned toward God.

We can say the same thing for the necessity of receiving the Holy Ghost, Mark 16:16 does not specify that either but we know it is required from other verses I have already shared.

The bottom line is that Peter got it right on the day of Pentecost when he shared that repentence, baptism in Jesus name, and receiving the Holy Ghost are all needed.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by BroGary

The bottom line is that Peter got it right on the day of Pentecost when he shared that repentence, baptism in Jesus name, and receiving the Holy Ghost are all needed.

Yes, Peter did get it right.

Peter clearly stated repentance and baptism as commands.

Peter clearly states that one will receive the Holy Ghost-- as a promise, not a command.

Gary, even verse 39 presents the Holy Spirit as a promise-- not a command.

Why aren't we connecting here?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BroGary

We can say the same thing for the necessity of receiving the Holy Ghost, Mark 16:16 does not specify that either but we know it is required from other verses I have already shared.

The bottom line is that Peter got it right on the day of Pentecost when he shared that repentence, baptism in Jesus name, and receiving the Holy Ghost are all needed.

No we cannot say the same thing about receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues as I did with repentance. In fact, that was the entire point. We all know someone that believes and was baptized but never received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Jesus said that those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. So since there exists people who Jesus said were saved that have not received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues then we must conclude that Jesus was right and those people who have not received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues are saved.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by jfrog

My argument is valid and even applies to repentance. I'll walk you through it.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

If repentance is required for salvation then every single person that has believed and been baptized must repent or else Jesus was wrong about how he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (for there would be some that believed and were baptized but not saved). Therefore, all I need to find is one example of a person that believes and was baptized but never repented to disprove that repenting is required for salvation.

I don't know of any such person do you? Therefore, everyone that believes and has been baptized has repented.

Further, believing on Jesus is the greatest form of repentance there is for there is no greater way that a man can turn from sin than by turning toward God and by believing on Jesus one has turned toward God.

Exactly.

And if they were baptized, sans belief, their baptism is invalid anyway.

[Sister Alvear]

Tongues is NOT the Holy Ghost only a sign of it....well...that is how I feel...of course if Christ is in us we will act Christ-like....wow...that says a lot....

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Tongues is NOT the Holy Ghost only a sign of it....well...that is how I feel...of course if Christ is in us we will act Christ-like....wow...that says a lot....

Amen, Sis. Alvear,

The first sign of life in a new born, natural or spiritual, is a SOUND! It may
be a long time before that "tree" bears fruit! It will need to be watered, nur-
tured, pruned, etc. before it becomes a "fruitful tree". A new born-again babe
in Christ, SHOULD desire the sincere milk of the Word, that it may grow thereby.
A newborn natural babe, should desire mother's milk. Today the makers of
formula make a substitute for mother's milk. Nothing replaces the way GOD
made for babies, naturally or spiritually, to be nourished.

Some babies may have been fed "junk" food and drink all their lives. I've
seen young mothers put soft drinks, etc. in their infants bottles. Those
babies will desire "junk" food and drink, unless someone introduces them to
something more nourishing. I hear children say, "I don't like milk". WHY do they
not like millk! We eleven siblings were "fed the sincere milk of the Word" from
a child. Most, if not all of us, LIKE MILK! But we like MEAT TOO, since we are
now all adults.

1Cor.13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought
as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Jesus told his disciples, "The words I speak unto you, they are spirit and
they are life." Yet, there were those who got so angry at his words, they
wanted to kill him!

Hugs,
Falla39

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Amen, Sis. Alvear,

The first sign of life in a new born, natural or spiritual, is a SOUND! It may
be a long time before that "tree" bears fruit! It will need to be watered, nur-
tured, pruned, etc. before it becomes a "fruitful tree". A new born-again babe
in Christ, SHOULD desire the sincere milk of the Word, that it may grow thereby.
A newborn natural babe, should desire mother's milk. Today the makers of
formula make a substitute for mother's milk. Nothing replaces the way GOD
made for babies, naturally or spiritually, to be nourished.

Some babies may have been fed "junk" food and drink all their lives. I've
seen young mothers put soft drinks, etc. in their infants bottles. Those
babies will desire "junk" food and drink, unless someone introduces them to
something more nourishing. I hear children say, "I don't like milk". WHY do they
not like millk! We eleven siblings were "fed the sincere milk of the Word" from
a child. Most, if not all of us, LIKE MILK! But we like MEAT TOO, since we are
now all adults.

1Cor.13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought
as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Jesus told his disciples, "The words I speak unto you, they are spirit and
they are life." Yet, there were those who got so angry at his words, they
wanted to kill him!

Hugs,
Falla39

Trees don't make a sound when they are born and only trees bear fruit. The sound that a tree makes is only made with the wind which comes and goes as it pleases.