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Aquila · #**131** 10-26-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

LOL - You guys are a HOOT! One thing for sure - I am NOT going to let these that are in deception and are robbing God try to persuade others of their crazy rebellious doctrine without me saying something. They are robbers of GOD!
I have NEVER missed a TITHE in my 55 years of living and have been blessed by God for it. I love to give and sow and invest everything into the Kingdom of God and am happy to do so.
So - Givers, Tithers, Sowers, Keep on giving and you will be blessed.
Be faithful to the House of God - The Church of the Living God - The Assembly of the First Born! God will bless you for it. Forget the little cultic house fellowships with their nasty casseroles that only want you there so they can manipulate you. That nutty house church leader is ego driven and only wants to be lifted up as super spiritual. Don't give him ONE DIME of your money. TITHE and BE BLESSED! Don't listen to the thieves and rebellious egomaniacs.
NO CASSEROLES FOR ME!

LOL

Hey, some house churches believe in tithing. Actually... I'm willing to wager those house church pastors do rather well, the tithe they receive goes straight to them without any overhead. Hmmmm....

whoami · #**132** 10-26-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

LOL

Hey, some house churches believe in tithing. Actually... I'm willing to wager those house church pastors do rather well, the tithe they receive goes straight to them without any overhead. Hmmmm....

The house churches that some friends of mine go to believe in tithing, but it goes directly to missions and outreach because there's no overhead and no need to "pay" a pastor (or BISHOP lol).

notofworks · #**133** 10-26-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

LOL - You guys are a HOOT! One thing for sure - I am NOT going to let these that are in deception and are robbing God try to persuade others of their crazy rebellious doctrine without me saying something. They are robbers of GOD!
I have NEVER missed a TITHE in my 55 years of living and have been blessed by God for it. I love to give and sow and invest everything into the Kingdom of God and am happy to do so.
So - Givers, Tithers, Sowers, Keep on giving and you will be blessed.
Be faithful to the House of God - The Church of the Living God - The Assembly of the First Born! God will bless you for it. Forget the little cultic house fellowships with their nasty casseroles that only want you there so they can manipulate you. That nutty house church leader is ego driven and only wants to be lifted up as super spiritual. Don't give him ONE DIME of your money. TITHE and BE BLESSED! Don't listen to the thieves and rebellious egomaniacs.
[B]NO CASSEROLES FOR ME!

So do I, but I don't tithe.

This year, it hasn't been 10%, it's been about 65%. I feel sorry for you people who limit your giving to an Old Testament legalistic percentage.

Truthseeker · #**134** 10-26-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by whoami

The house churches that some friends of mine go to believe in tithing, but it goes directly to missions and outreach because there's no overhead and no need to "pay" a pastor (or BISHOP lol).

Or fancy pin striped suits.

Truthseeker · #**135** 10-26-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Depends on how you define preaching. For example, in Acts we see that Paul “preached” until midnight:

Acts 20:7
{20:7} And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The word used for “preached” here is “dialegomai”, meaning to “discuss” or have dialogue.

1256 // dialegomai // dialegomai // dee-al-eg'-om-ahee //

middle voice from 1223 and 3004 ; TDNT - 2:93,155; v

AV - dispute 6, reason with 2, reason 2, preach unto 1,
preach 1, speak 1; 13

1) to think different things with one's self, mingle thought with thought
1a) to ponder, revolve in mind
2) to converse, discourse with one, argue, discuss

Paul’s “preaching” was a discussion format, Paul didn’t offer a ranting monologue with the traditional “preacher’s cough” in a microphone to a room of captive non-participative listeners. We see this kind of preaching throughout the book of Acts. Even on the Day of Pentecost, Peter preached Acts 2:38 as a result of his dialogue with the crowd. Phillip had a dialogue with the Ethiopian Eunuch. New Testament preaching is a dialogue. The traditional “sermon” is based on the Sophist philosophy of philosophical rhetoric in which the crowed passively listens, contemplates, and receives the message. The philosopher offers a base text or idea and supplies ample analogies to persuade the listener to his or her premise. It’s pagan in origin.

I agree, no house church Christian should denigrate any body of believers regardless as to where they choose to worship. Sure, I believe the pros and cons should be openly discussed, but denigration is absolutely unnecessary.

The church is any assembly of believers, be it in a traditional church building or just two believers meeting for coffee, to discuss Scripture, and fellowship. I too thank God for the church. It’s important to remember that the places and temple of the OT are mere shadows of NT realities. We are the temple of the living God, church building or not.

Scripture! You mean you bring scripture to the bishop! I get the sense he's not one for scriptural based discussion.

Truthseeker · #**136** 10-26-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

LOL - You guys are a HOOT! One thing for sure - I am NOT going to let these that are in deception and are robbing God try to persuade others of their crazy rebellious doctrine without me saying something. They are robbers of GOD!
I have NEVER missed a TITHE in my 55 years of living and have been blessed by God for it. I love to give and sow and invest everything into the Kingdom of God and am happy to do so.
So - Givers, Tithers, Sowers, Keep on giving and you will be blessed.
Be faithful to the House of God - The Church of the Living God - The Assembly of the First Born! God will bless you for it. Forget the little cultic house fellowships with their nasty casseroles that only want you there so they can manipulate you. That nutty house church leader is ego driven and only wants to be lifted up as super spiritual. Don't give him ONE DIME of your money. TITHE and BE BLESSED! Don't listen to the thieves and rebellious egomaniacs.
NO CASSEROLES FOR ME!

What tithes got to do with it? I support my church, but since I came to understand the truth about the tithe being false doctrine my income has steadily climbed to just about double what it used to be.

Funny thing is your ranting about house churches, but alot could be said about traditional or mega churches as well.

Any system is only good as the people running it. Can house churches go south? Yep. Can traditonal churches? yep.

Aquila · #**137** 10-27-2010, 06:42 AM

I think the majority of American Christians would fall into the house church camp, seeing that most American Christians don't regularly attend a traditional church, yet they read the Bible, read Christian materials, listen to Christian music, and even enjoy hanging out with Christian friends and discussing Jesus.

mfblume · #**138** 10-27-2010, 08:51 AM

Peninsula Bible Church in San Francisco held 800+ people in the 70's and had open church since it started in 1950. A wireless mic is handed around to those who feel to speak up and share, testify, lead forth a song, or request prayer. Not sure how many attend there now.

What is PBC?

We are a local non-denominational church with a rich 60-year history. We value expository preaching that equips us to participate in God's work, collaborative leadership under the head of Christ, and recognizing the work of the Spirit within each member of the body as we grow together in love for God and each other.

Our church is made up of many communities of people in different life stages and walks in their faith. Our many pastors are charged with the task of equipping the members of our body for participating in God's work in the world. We are led by a body of godly elders. Most of all, we are a family of people drawn together by God to walk through life together.

Tommy Barnett and Leo Godzich pastored 10,000 in their church, with 140 active ministries in one congregation.

Mega Churches can facilitate body ministry.

Aquila · #**139** 10-27-2010, 09:09 AM

Amen Bro. Blume. It's not so much about having church in a house vs. having church in a building. It's about fufilling the biblical mandate for body ministry.

I think some prefer traditional church while others prefer a more informal gathering of a small group in an informal environment. It would be so wrong of one preference to outright condemn the other.

Aquila · #**140** 10-27-2010, 09:13 AM

Here's something that's been brewing in my mind for a while now. What would be the impact of house churchers adopting "street preaching" and "street evangelism" in their method of operation?

William Farel (1489-1565), who paved the way for John Calvin to come to Switzerland, and has been called "the pioneer of Protestantism in Western Switzerland." I love what they say about him, "He turned every stump and stone into a pulpit, every house, every street, and market-place into a church."

I think many of us limit our vision in the traditional format.