Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Oh, by the way Proverbs 11:14 has nothing to do with psychologists, or any form of psychotherapy.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

This isn't what we are taught, we are encouraged to go forward. Contemplate suicide, but have a PROFESSIONAL place you on antidepressants which side effects are a living hell. People who no longer believe in the power of the Holy Ghost. Deliverance services? I asked exactly what they looked like to Aquila, who was restored if any? No comment? Jesus doesn't need Freud to heal you, or Bayer to heal you.

NOTE TO THE READER:

Notice, the poster above implies that if you need professional help or medication, you must not believe in the Holy Ghost. He even implies that if you need Bayer to manage pain, your not Christian enough.

That's spiritual abuse.

Of course God doesn't NEED these things. But, He often chooses to work through doctors, counselors, therapies, and medications. I'll agree with the poster as far as saying one should pray about seeking a professional, and any medication, should any be suggested.

I looked to a pastoral counselor who was a Nazarene. He had much respect for my religious convictions and beliefs. Quite often, he would share advice by referencing the Bible as food for thought and contemplation. He never advised medication. He discussed how we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and got deep into how our brains work and what PTSD is. Then he discussed how certain exercises can effect the brain. After this, he introduced me to EMDR therapy. I can't tell you how much this has helped me. I'm not out of the woods yet. But my episodes are fewer, and most of the time they aren't as intense. This past Fourth of July was a particularly rough episode. But this is probably because I buried my father, a Vietnam veteran who was rather abusive and never sought help, this past January. The fireworks, my military past, my childhood abuse, my grief. A perfect storm. Some important unresolved issues came to the surface. And I thank God for good counseling. And for EMDR therapy.

Don't listen to the posters scare tactics. Perhaps Jesus is using me to reassure a reader who is struggling and who needs to allow Jesus to work through a good therapist to bring relief if supernatural healing has yet to manifest.

Here's a video on EMDR therapy. Be encouraged. There is help out there, and they don't always involve drugs or medication. Many therapies are based on the natural functions of your brain. When you understand how it works, you realize that the brain is like a tool, an instrument. Learning how it works and how to use it to reprocess trauma will be a blessing.

I pray that you have peace and be in good health.

[Aquila]

Here's a video on another form of therapy, no medications. It's pretty powerful stuff. I've never had these therapies, but I've read of progress made with it. Don't fear getting help.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

NOTE TO THE READER:

Notice, the poster above implies that if you need professional help or medication, you must not believe in the Holy Ghost. He even implies that if you need Bayer to manage pain, your not Christian enough.

Chris, this is all about you, your personal thoughts and feelings concerning Christianity. People need to read what you posted in the More on Skirts thread concerning your thoughts on Christianity. You weren't posting about one 4th of July? Again, you posted that your PTSD wasn't actually from the military but being raised in an Ohio hood? I was raised in the South Bronx New York. Holy Ghost infilling took care of everything I needed. Jesus + repentance, and turning over our human will = overcoming power in Christ.

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's spiritual abuse.

Zoloft, Ativan, Prozac, and Lexapro is abuse.

Burns out brains like a blow torch.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Of course God doesn't NEED these things.

More legalism Aquila? You just can't shake it. You see you have to say the above, it is part of the mantra, it is part of your costume of Churchanity. Of course God can BUT. But, is the sledgehammer that busts it all to smithereens. Jesus can heal, but. Jesus can save, but, Jesus can deliver, but??? You put your boot right through the windshield called faith. The mind of Christ isn't like a gear in a car? But you would medicate the mind of Christ with strong mind altering medications? Tell me Aquila do you now have someone in your family who is a pharmacist, and scientist, a brain doctor?

No faith? So, you have to reach out an steady the ark? We know how that works out.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But, He often chooses to work through doctors, counselors, therapies, and medications.

Aquila, where? Where did Jesus tell anyone to seek strong mind medication?

What was the strongest meds you have taken? What did your medication do for you? Why aren't you 100% Because they never are 100% They are NEVER healed, they are suffering with medication cage. Aquila they need Jesus Christ's power, not Sigmund Freud's hell on earth. You know what? You don't sound like someone who has dealt in these areas before. How many people have you helped to seek deliverance from the living hell of mind medications. How long does it take someone to be "regulated" with their particular meds?

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'll agree with the poster as far as saying one should pray about seeking a professional, and any medication, should any be suggested.

You must be talking about someone else, show me where in God's name I said that you should pray about seeking a psychiatrist? Anyone who knows me, and read what you posted, would call you a liar. Aquila, please show where I said you should pray about taking medication. It's not an option, ever. Going to some psychiatrist is never an option, we have NO teaching in scripture where it says we should take mind altering drugs and have someone to talk to manically about our trip.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I looked to a pastoral counselor who was a Nazarene.

Good God from Zion! What does that mean? He could of been any denomination, bro he could of been U P of C, and he is still a flake.
If he doesn't encourage you towards Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with power. He is just the same if he was a secular headshrinker. Bro, they both use mental voodoo to lead you away from the power of the Cross. Hanging at the end of a rope by the knot? Doesn't look like the Nazarene Headshrinker got it done. So, how on earth is this going to be help for anyone else? It didn't help you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He had much respect for my religious convictions and beliefs.

Oooh wow, who cares. Seriously who cares, he is just doing a job bro. He doesn't want to Bible study you, he may not even actually believe God is a God who intervenes enough to recreate your mind to the mind of Christ. He may only believe in Carl Jung, and Freud. He is a listener and a clock watcher, you drama, he listens, he watches the clock, and says a few sentences which aren't judgemental. You leave as botched up as you walked in. You then grab a bottle of Scotch and pray over your cigarettes. What has changed? Old things haven't passed away, lions still eat lambs, and wolves tear up kids. Wow, what a salvation, what freedom to live in a chemical hell.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Quite often, he would share advice by referencing the Bible as food for thought and contemplation.

Shock and awe! Because he is a legalist, and that is what he must do legally, it is part of the Churchanity halo he plugs in when you walk in. It is all part of the religious dog and pony show. Holy Ghost? Did he encourage you to pray through? Did he ask you to pray with him, or he would pray with you until you both flowed through the river of power? No, it was all Sunday school greul, wet soggy, and filled with children stories. No meat, just bread and water. You left just like you came. Still lacking, still wanting, still unfulfilled, still empty. Oh, you had a fix for about a few hours, but the minute the earth started to move under your feet, you find you are on sinking sand, instead of the solid rock of Christ.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He never advised medication.

He probably was a psychologist who cannot prescribe medication. Because they are not required to go to medical school. Therefore they cannot prescribe meds. That is a job for the psychiatrist, he suits you up in the never ending maze of treatment. Aquila, you are heading down a super bad highway. You need to lower the ego, and find the Jesus.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He discussed how we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and got deep into how our brains work and what PTSD is.

How fearfully and wonderfully made by God, so in the world called logic, you go back to the manufacturer. Cars don't fix cars, tools don't fix tools, only Jesus Christ can fix us by us following Him through His mind, not some psychologist's mind.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Then he discussed how certain exercises can effect the brain. After this, he introduced me to EMDR therapy. I can't tell you how much this has helped me. I'm not out of the woods yet.

Bro, you don't get out of the woods. That isn't what psychotherapies about. You maintain, you learn to do everything through chemical and human disciplines. It is all about you learning to control you, not about Jesus Christ controlling anything. Jesus is reduced to some far away deity, or higher power. Out of the woods? No boy, the woods are a maze and the wolves chase you back into the thick. Only the power of all mighty God in Christ can help you. Not some psychotherapeutic kung fu.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But my episodes are fewer, and most of the time they aren't as intense. This past Fourth of July was a particularly rough episode. But this is probably because I buried my father, a Vietnam veteran who was rather abusive and never sought help, this past January. The fireworks, my military past, my childhood abuse, my grief. A perfect storm. Some important unresolved issues came to the surface. And I thank God for good counseling. And for EMDR therapy.

Give it all to Jesus, I mean the real Jesus, not the iconical Jesus.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't listen to the posters scare tactics. Perhaps Jesus is using me to reassure a reader who is struggling and who needs to allow Jesus to work through a good therapist to bring relief if supernatural healing has yet to manifest.

Don't you dare say that Jesus Christ is using you to assure anyone to go through the hell of psychotropics. Scare tactics that was what your video was about Hoss. Theatrics and void of life giving water of the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's a video on EMDR therapy. Be encouraged. There is help out there, and they don't always involve drugs or medication. Many therapies are based on the natural functions of your brain. When you understand how it works, you realize that the brain is like a tool, an instrument. Learning how it works and how to use it to reprocess trauma will be a blessing.

I pray that you have peace and be in good health.

No Christ, no Cross, no hope.

Just man trying to fix man.

Sad.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's a video on another form of therapy, no medications. It's pretty powerful stuff. I've never had these therapies, but I've read of progress made with it. Don't fear getting help.

This is what Aquila is really about. He isn't only messed up politically, religiously, but sadly spiritually.

The Bible becomes nothing but a second thought. Oh they tell you to go o Jesus first. But. You will always be met with the winds and the waves to sink Peter under the water. They help you take your eyes off of the Cross and Christ, and lead you down a labyrinth of physiological mayhem.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, this is all about you, your personal thoughts and feelings concerning Christianity. People need to read what you posted in the More on Skirts thread concerning your thoughts on Christianity. You weren't posting about one 4th of July? Again, you posted that your PTSD wasn't actually from the military but being raised in an Ohio hood? I was raised in the South Bronx New York. Holy Ghost infilling took care of everything I needed. Jesus + repentance, and turning over our human will = overcoming power in Christ.



Zoloft, Ativan, Prozac, and Lexapro is abuse.

Burns out brains like a blow torch.



More legalism Aquila? You just can't shake it. You see you have to say the above, it is part of the mantra, it is part of your costume of Churchanity. Of course God can BUT. But, is the sledgehammer that busts it all to smithereens. Jesus can heal, but. Jesus can save, but, Jesus can deliver, but??? You put your boot right through the windshield called faith. The mind of Christ isn't like a gear in a car? But you would medicate the mind of Christ with strong mind altering medications? Tell me Aquila do you now have someone in your family who is a pharmacist, and scientist, a brain doctor?

No faith? So, you have to reach out an steady the ark? We know how that works out.



Aquila, where? Where did Jesus tell anyone to seek strong mind medication?

What was the strongest meds you have taken? What did your medication do for you? Why aren't you 100% Because they never are 100% They are NEVER healed, they are suffering with medication cage. Aquila they need Jesus Christ's power, not Sigmund Freud's hell on earth. You know what? You don't sound like someone who has dealt in these areas before. How many people have you helped to seek deliverance from the living hell of mind medications. How long does it take someone to be "regulated" with their particular meds?



You must be talking about someone else, show me where in God's name I said that you should pray about seeking a psychiatrist? Anyone who knows me, and read what you posted, would call you a liar. Aquila, please show where I said you should pray about taking medication. It's not an option, ever. Going to some psychiatrist is never an option, we have NO teaching in scripture where it says we should take mind altering drugs and have someone to talk to manically about our trip.



Good God from Zion! What does that mean? He could of been any denomination, bro he could of been U P of C, and he is still a flake.
If he doesn't encourage you towards Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with power. He is just the same if he was a secular headshrinker. Bro, they both use mental voodoo to lead you away from the power of the Cross. Hanging at the end of a rope by the knot? Doesn't look like the Nazarene Headshrinker got it done. So, how on earth is this going to be help for anyone else? It didn't help you.




Oooh wow, who cares. Seriously who cares, he is just doing a job bro. He doesn't want to Bible study you, he may not even actually believe God is a God who intervenes enough to recreate your mind to the mind of Christ. He may only believe in Carl Jung, and Freud. He is a listener and a clock watcher, you drama, he listens, he watches the clock, and says a few sentences which aren't judgemental. You leave as botched up as you walked in. You then grab a bottle of Scotch and pray over your cigarettes. What has changed? Old things haven't passed away, lions still eat lambs, and wolves tear up kids. Wow, what a salvation, what freedom to live in a chemical hell.




Shock and awe! Because he is a legalist, and that is what he must do legally, it is part of the Churchanity halo he plugs in when you walk in. It is all part of the religious dog and pony show. Holy Ghost? Did he encourage you to pray through? Did he ask you to pray with him, or he would pray with you until you both flowed through the river of power? No, it was all Sunday school greul, wet soggy, and filled with children stories. No meat, just bread and water. You left just like you came. Still lacking, still wanting, still unfulfilled, still empty. Oh, you had a fix for about a few hours, but the minute the earth started to move under your feet, you find you are on sinking sand, instead of the solid rock of Christ.



He probably was a psychologist who cannot prescribe medication. Because they are not required to go to medical school. Therefore they cannot prescribe meds. That is a job for the psychiatrist, he suits you up in the never ending maze of treatment. Aquila, you are heading down a super bad highway. You need to lower the ego, and find the Jesus.



How fearfully and wonderfully made by God, so in the world called logic, you go back to the manufacturer. Cars don't fix cars, tools don't fix tools, only Jesus Christ can fix us by us following Him through His mind, not some psychologist's mind.



Bro, you don't get out of the woods. That isn't what psychotherapies about. You maintain, you learn to do everything through chemical and human disciplines. It is all about you learning to control you, not about Jesus Christ controlling anything. Jesus is reduced to some far away deity, or higher power. Out of the woods? No boy, the woods are a maze and the wolves chase you back into the thick. Only the power of all mighty God in Christ can help you. Not some psychotherapeutic kung fu.




Give it all to Jesus, I mean the real Jesus, not the iconical Jesus.




Don't you dare say that Jesus Christ is using you to assure anyone to go through the hell of psychotropics. Scare tactics that was what your video was about Hoss. Theatrics and void of life giving water of the Holy Ghost.




No Christ, no Cross, no hope.

Just man trying to fix man.

Sad.

This isn't about salvation. This is about coping with trauma. Jesus doesn't take your memories. Salvation doesn't automatically rewire the brain anymore than it automatically sends cancer into remission. Would you berate, brow beat, and belittle a saint who continues chemo? You're being a willfully ignorant and clueless abuser.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

This is what Aquila is really about. He isn't only messed up politically, religiously, but sadly spiritually.

The Bible becomes nothing but a second thought. Oh they tell you to go o Jesus first. But. You will always be met with the winds and the waves to sink Peter under the water. They help you take your eyes off of the Cross and Christ, and lead you down a labyrinth of physiological mayhem.

I was a 19B10, Combat Medic for six years, and an EMT for two years in the civilian world, before becoming a therapeutic programming assistant for the handicapped with Echoing Valley/Echoing Hills Residential Center. If you took a bullet to the chest, would you rather I engage life saving measures, taught by worldly physicians, or just tell you that if you had more Holy Ghost, you could be healed?

Bro, for a vet on the edge, keeping a barrel out of their mouths so that they might live long enough to seek more Jesus, by advising they get help, is all I'm doing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was a 19B10, Combat Medic for six years, and an EMT for two years in the civilian world, before becoming a therapeutic programming assistant for the handicapped with Echoing Valley/Echoing Hills Residential Center. If you took a bullet to the chest, would you rather I engage life saving measures, taught by worldly physicians, or just tell you that if you had more Holy Ghost, you could be healed?

Bro, for a vet on the edge, keeping a barrel out of their mouths so that they might live long enough to seek more Jesus, by advising they get help, is all I'm doing.

Don't worry Aquila you're pretty.

Seriously, I can proclaim how much war wounds I sustained. Bullet in the chest? Where medic, what caliber, what exactly were you wearing that slowed the round down. You see that doesn't matter. I've been stabbed, shot, and been in fights my whole life. Had night horrors which were as real as my horrible past. Yet, Jesus set me free from the pain of sin and death. Difference is this, you love to rake up the dead man, and parade his corpse before the living. Revelation 12:11 proclaims we have defeated Satan by the blood of the Lamb and by our testimony in Christ. We refuse to love our lives so much that we are not afraid to die. Repeating the words of Jesus Christ in John 12:25. My testimony wasn't my life in the past being leatherface. That doesn't defeat the devil, me reminding my self that I'm the lion who eats the straw, just because the Bible says I had to eat the straw, when in reality I would rather eat the sheep, gives Satan strength in my life. Oh, he isn't bound Bubba, he is destroyed, his works are destroyed by the power of the Cross. You brought up Genesis and its fulfillment? Satan's head was crushed under the heel of the Mighty God in Christ. Satan has no power over the children of the kingdom, those who have entered Eden, the serpent is slain for them. Why breath life back into him? If you serve him, he is your master.

You think Jesus wants you to tell us about a bullet in the chest? I have a 24 year old girl in our church family who took a bullet in the chest. I believe I mentioned it to you in the skirt thread, you didn't even flinch. Yet, she took the bullet, she told the gunman, God bless you in Jesus name. The next service morning she limped into church with victory on her face. You think maybe you could get your good stuff together and measure up to a 24 year old girl? No, because that isn't what you need. Because those who measure themselves among themselves are not smart. You don't need gun shot Jesus name baptized 24 year old girls to be your example. You need to look at only one person, that is the crucified Christ who died, was buried, and resurrected, to set the example that we all can walk in the light as He is in the light. Victorious, undefeated and forever eternal.

How dare you come and preach defeatism to those who need victory in Jesus.

Just because you want to stay tethered to your past, always shaking up your litter box, for all to smell and see. Doesn't mean we all do the same thing. It sure doesn't mean we want that for anyone else. You can live a life of victory, but you have the free will to do as you very well please.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This isn't about salvation. This is about coping with trauma.

Bro, I must of been in the company of a way different class of Apostolic men and women. Because none of them ever paraded their bloody corpses through the sanctuary. One sister who was in the 119th street Church in Miami under Elder W.H. Dunn, testified to me how her husband would beat the snot out of her everytime she would go to church service. He would throw her a beating, and then kick her out of the house. Her testimony wasn't getting a busted lop from her husband, but that everytime she would go to church she would shout her hair down. She promised herself that she would get so filled with a move of God, that it would carry her through. Bro, were the old timers a different breed? A sister was in a car accident where her car was rear ended and the gas tank exploded. The impact was so extreme that her driver's seat broke and flipped her into the back of the car where the gas tank ruptured. The fire dept finally came and put out the fire, they believed that no one survived. Until they heard a sound of our sister whimpering from within the car. She was unrecognizably burned over 90% of her body. Yet, I never ever failed to see her testify about her victory in Christ. The overcoming power of Christ lived out in her life, her worship and prayer life. Must of been a different breed, because you teach that these people should be rolled up in the fetal position under the pews. Instead of living in victory shouting on the backs of the pews. There's your warriors my boy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus doesn't take your memories.

No, He gives you mastery over them.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Salvation doesn't automatically rewire the brain anymore than it automatically sends cancer into remission.

What kind of Apostolic church were you in? I'm as serious as a heart attack. Did you just attend a church where everyone just got dressed. Looked the part, but Jesus was across town? What I found about the Apostolic people, was that they preached Holy Ghost, taught Holy Ghost, lived Holy Ghost, walked Holy Ghost, ate Holy Ghost, and most of all trusted Holy Ghost. They allowed the move of the Holy Ghost, from the pulpit to the door. They had their mind on Jesus and they had church. I'm real sorry, but the First Church of Brillo just don't get'er done.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Would you berate, brow beat, and belittle a saint who continues chemo? You're being a willfully ignorant and clueless abuser.

Chris, drop the act, I'm done with YOUR whining. I don't belittle saints of God. I don't berate saints of God. I don't brow beat saints of God, I do take my can opener and work on tinmen, blow hards, who couldn't give a care, about living for God themselves, therefore block the way for anyone else. How dare you undermine a sinner seeking life eternal, with your sorry excuses. One minute you are claiming you are bawling while you post, only to gather up a second wind and start throwing punches.

I really hope you realize that no one is your enemy, only Satan.

And Only Jesus Christ can vanquish the devil once and for all in your life.

Take His yoke upon you, and learn of Him. He makes it light because He does most of the heavy lifting. Until you come to the place where you can help others

[houston]

^mic drop