The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 151

DAII · #**1501** 01-01-2011, 08:38 AM

I'm going on record that Jesus saves ... for the 4502033214th time.

I know there's room in Apprehended's dingy for us PCIers ... his works speak for it ... so we can discuss this ad nauseum ... but I'll ride in the cruise ship with the Master with the rest of my brothers and sisters in the Body.

I love the all inclusive buffet ....

The faith + obedience crowd ... have difficulty with cause and effect ... so I don't blame them proof texting to their heart's content even when the same passage contradicts their extrabiblical positions.

They want to be a mini-Jesus and re-enact the Gospel ... by all means.

Anyhoo ... Apprehended is a light doctrine guy anyway.

Apprehended · #**1502** 01-01-2011, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII

I'm going on record that Jesus saves ... for the 4502033214th time.

I know there's room in Apprehended's dingy for us PCIers ... his works speak for it ... so we can discuss this ad nauseum ... but I'll ride in the cruise ship with the Master with the rest of my brothers and sisters in the Body.

I love the all inclusive buffet ....

The faith + obedience crowd ... have difficulty with cause and effect ... so I don't blame them proof texting to their heart's content even when the same passage contradicts their extrabiblical positions.

They want to be a mini-Jesus and re-enact the Gospel ... by all means.

Anyhoo ... Apprehended is a light doctrine guy anyway.

Dan...

One reason that I luff ya is because...well...because...

you are just Dan and no one can take that away from you.

I also admire you for your intelligence, writing abilities and for the fact you are a master rhetorical tactician. Most philosophers and even politicians are such. You and I would have a great one on one session in private. I seriously doubt that a protracted headbanging session would change you, but at least I would walk away with the same love and admiration for you as I have now.

But, a little substance with the rhetoric would help fill out the empty suit of philosophy. You can begin by using the Word of God with each fiery proclamation disguised as truth.

DAII · #**1503** 01-01-2011, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Dan...

One reason that I luff ya is because...well...because...

you are just Dan and no one can take that away from you.

I also admire you for your intelligence, writing abilities and for the fact you are a master rhetorical tactician. Most philosophers and even politicians are such. You and I would have a great one on one session in private. I seriously doubt that a protracted headbanging session would change you, but at least I would walk away with the same love and admiration for you as I have now.

But, a little substance with the rhetoric would help fill out the empty suit of philosophy. You can begin by using the Word of God with each fiery proclamation disguised as truth.

Well, it's great that you're back posting and for that reason alone... I don't want to lick you just yet ...

watching from the cheap seats as you bring it on NOW.

Much rather have you ease in ... for the moment, bubba.

I'd much prefer to see you and Blume and Benincasa have another preterist vs. apocalyptic futurist brawl ... just for old time's sake.

mfblume · #**1504** 01-01-2011, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII

I'd much prefer to see you and Blume and Benincasa have another preterist vs. apocalyptic futurist brawl ... just for old time's sake.

Whew! What a post to read the first day of the new year. <<<shudder>>>

Apprehended · #**1505** 01-01-2011, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume

Whew! What a post to read the first day of the new year. <<<shudder>>>

shudder, shudder, indeed.

ain't happening.

mfblume · #**1506** 01-01-2011, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apprehended

shudder, shudder, indeed.

ain't happening.

No. Takes too much time for that stuff. lol Phew!

Jeffrey · #**1507** 01-01-2011, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Dear ol' Pelagius was a dear old soul. At least his mama thought so. But he was wrong about the doctrine of original sin although he was right about the freedom of the will of man. God has left every man in freedom as to his will. Otherwise, he would be the most heinous of all entities, worse than the devil himself.

Give Pelagius a D-

Do don't believe in original sin --- or in total depravity? Explain.

notofworks · #**1508** 01-01-2011, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII

Well, it's great that you're back posting and for that reason alone... I don't want to lick you just yet ...

watching from the cheap seats as you bring it on NOW.

Much rather have you ease in ... for the moment, bubba.

I'd much prefer to see you and Blume and Benincasa have another preterist vs. apocalyptic futurist brawl ... just for old time's sake.

Yep, I'm watching from the cheap seats. I've read everything and so far, there's nothing new that's been added. I don't think anyone verbalizes this any better than you, Jeffrey, and Pelathais, who is MIA, currently. We could add Dan Segraves to that list but of course, he vocalizes it in "code."

Apprehended attempted to turn this into a discussion of us turning a bible verse into a physical piece of wood, which is almost disrespectful to me, acting as if he didn't understand what we mean when we say, "The cross." He knows darn well what we mean and his attempt to invalidate a version that contradicts his doctrine, as "Liberal" pointed out, is faulty. One thing I know is this....Apprehend has several things he wants us to do in order to be justified and be declared "Under grace."

But I read something recently in a book called, "Grace", by Andy Stanley...."Anything in addition to grace, isn't grace." In one simple sentence, he summarized the entire discussion.

Apprehended · #**1509** 01-01-2011, 03:46 PM

It's amazing to me how folks can be so zoned out in lalala land of the unreal that they somehow don't understand a thing at all concerning grace.

Since the cross, that is to say, since the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, aka, the cross, the WHOLE WORLD is under grace.

Hitler was under grace. Nero was under grace. Charles Manson is STILL under grace. The Boston Strangler was under grace. I'm under grace but no more than anyone else including the worst child molester and rapist. The free gift of God is available TO ALL...by grace.

Seems to be a great dearth of light concerning GRACE. The cross PROVIDED grace. Period!

The question is, what are you going to do with that grace? Are you going to avail yourself to the provisions under grace which includes among other things, the free gift of salvation. OR, will you pervert the message of grace and lead souls to hell by inducing the sleep of death in them to lead them to believe that they have no care or need of anything...just grace...nothing but grace.

My neighbors Guido, Luigi, Pasquale and Rosa is under grace too. But, they are not DOING anything about it...speaking of DOING. With the message of perverted grace, hell is enlarged to receive all who will believe it.

I could not care less what Dan Seagraves, Andy Stanley's book, Boss Hog or Roscoe P. Coltrane, Duke or anyone else has to say about grace if they depart from the ever living Word of God.

There is ONE message of salvation which was provided by grace. Believe it by obeying it and be saved, if you will. Refuse the "call" unlike Abraham who obeyed the call, none can inherit the land. You can simply remain in Ur of the Chaldeans refusing both the call and the walk if you want to. But God is faithful to continue calling, nonetheless.

Apprehended · #**1510** 01-01-2011, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Do don't believe in original sin --- or in total depravity? Explain.

Of course I believe in Original Sin. It is the sin that was done away with by Jesus in his work before his ascension into heaven. The whole world was under condemnation from that sin. Jesus paid it all. That sin was forever wiped away by the work of Christ, aka the cross.

When Jesus rose again from the dead, ascended to the Father, every human being on the face of the earth was declared innocent from that, the original sin. His work declared all men righteous, guiltless, forever free from the sin of Adam. Death which was pronounced upon all mankind from that sin was forever abolished by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Every man is now free from that sin...the original sin of Adam. All of creation should burst forth in high and holy praise and no longer groan in travail waiting to be delivered. In the legal sense, creation is already delivered from the bondage of the original sin by which death came upon all. They are already delivered. They just need to hear the good news.

You are FREE! I'm FREE. Hitler was FREE from it. Charles Manson is FREE. The Boston Stranger was FREE, if he had only knownit.

Too much of a bible study to quote a lot of scripture here, but I hope that you get my drift.