I preach baptism in Jesus' name and propose it is part of salvation. I believe it is what Romans 6 was speaking about.
But no one in the bible ever associated HELL with or without it, whether or not it saves from hell. I like how Priscilla and Aquila handled it.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I preach baptism in Jesus' name and propose it is part of salvation. I believe it is what Romans 6 was speaking about.
But no one in the bible ever associated HELL with or without it, whether or not it saves from hell. I like how Priscilla and Aquila handled it.
The Bible is silent as to whether Priscilla and Aquila ministered water and Spirit baptism to Apollos in contrast to its clarity in the case of Paul's ministry to those Ephesian Baptists.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
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The Bible is silent as to whether Priscilla and Aquila ministered water and Spirit baptism to Apollos in contrast to its clarity in the case of Paul's ministry to those Ephesian Baptists.
That was not my point. Whatever the preached, they did not use the reference to hell. Even Paul did not mention hell, though, when speaking to the disciples of John. He that winneth souls is wise. Bringing up hell in such issues to people is unwise.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
1) Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?
2) Does it matter how you're baptized?
3) Is baptism essential to salvation?
1) No-- this reason ALONE will not send a soul to hell.
2) Yes. I beleive immersion to be what the Bible demonstrates in most if not all instances of water baptism. Speaking the Name of Jesus during the baptism is VITAL for me-- as for anyone that I may have the privilege of baptizing one day.
3) If a person repents and while crossing the street to get to the baptismal they are run over by a speeding taxicab, I don't believe they would go to hell.
Every Christian should obey the Bible-- we are commanded to do so! To not get baptized is to sin.
If a person chooses not to be baptized after being taught the truth of the Biblical command, I don't count them as saved.
At the same time, a person is not saved because they were baptized the "right way". Neither are they saved because they were baptized at all.
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1) No-- this reason ALONE will not send a soul to hell.
2) Yes. I beleive immersion to be what the Bible demonstrates in most if not all instances of water baptism. Speaking the Name of Jesus during the baptism is VITAL for me-- as for anyone that I may have the privilege of baptizing one day.
3) If a person repents and while crossing the street to get to the baptismal they are run over by a speeding taxicab, I don't believe they would go to hell.
Every Christian should obey the Bible-- we are commanded to do so! To not get baptized is to sin.
If a person chooses not to be baptized after being taught the truth of the Biblical command, I don't count them as saved.
At the same time, a person is not saved because they were baptized the "right way". Neither are they saved because they were baptized at all.
I agree. A yes or no answer is always predicated with a bunch of "What If's".
This is the exact threshold that causes many to question Religion, and, keeps those who are dogmatic about Faith and a particular belief at arms distance from those who know what they're talking about.
It's easy to corner the ignorant with a definitive answer, but the educated bring contrast into the picture, causing the Religious World to squirm by revealing greater facts through measurable arguments regarding the Bible, Culture, History, and Science.
Getting a solid answer concerning who is saved or lost is, well, basically not known. We simply do our best with what we know, but to be quite frank, none of us do know because none of us have been there. I have noticed, Apostolics years ago were much more precise in telling people, “UNLESS you do this or that, you won’t make it”. Today, we are seeing a dramatic shift away from such dogma, even by those who consider themselves Conservative.
Baptism is required by many, and not required by many others, and they both will argue the point as long as we are on this Planet building Religion. In the end, I think we are all in for a big surprise.
I agree. A yes or no answer is always predicated with a bunch of "What If's".
This is the exact threshold that causes many to question Religion, and, keeps those who are dogmatic about Faith and a particular belief at arms distance from those who know what they're talking about.
It's easy to corner the ignorant with a definitive answer, but the educated bring contrast into the picture, causing the Religious World to squirm by revealing greater facts through measurable arguments regarding the Bible, Culture, History, and Science.
Getting a solid answer concerning who is saved or lost is, well, basically not known. We simply do our best with what we know, but to be quite frank, none of us do know because none of us have been there. I have noticed, Apostolics years ago were much more precise in telling people, “UNLESS you do this or that, you won’t make it”. Today, we are seeing a dramatic shift away from such dogma, even by those who consider themselves Conservative.
Baptism is required by many, and not required by many others, and they both will argue the point as long as we are on this Planet building Religion. In the end, I think we are all in for a big surprise.
Just like you said, you could play the "What if" game in anything we discuss.
The word doesn't play or talk in "What If's".
If we believe the truth of what it says about Water baptism for one, its the same for all! He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
I'm not responsible for "What If's"
i'm only responsible to obey what I know the word commands, and to teach that same word to everyone without modifying it.
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