If Physical Death is Final?

[Michael The Disciple]

The scriptures teach neither of the extremes of tortment in flames for trillions of years nor the universal salvation of everyone who ever lived.

The balanced Apostolic teaching is found right here in the well known Bible verse of all time.

16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

How plain and straightforward. Unless we believe in Jesus we will PERISH. That means "to die". The opposite of that is to gain eternal life or live.

The wicked are cast into Gehenna where their souls DIE.

Let us ask Jesus.

28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28

Let us ask Paul.

23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

Let us ask Peter.

17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 2 Peter 2:17

Let us ask James.

20: Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:20

Let us ask John.

16: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16

Let us ask Jude.

12: These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13: Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. Jude 12-13

The truth of the eternal judgment being the death of the soul is so completely testified by the writers of scripture its amazing we have missed it so completely.

With this foundation a re examination of the doctrine has opened the eyes of many.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If everybody is going to be saved,then why go out and preach the gospel ?

Not everyone will be “saved” according to UR. Jesus came to save men from God’s judgment. Many will be lost to the Kingdom of God and face God's judgment in Hell. However, UR believes that eventually, perhaps in the dateless future, in ages untold, God will reconcile all creation unto himself. Those souls who experience Hell’s punishment will be broken down into absolute surrender to God’s authority. In that day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to God’s glory. Hell is very real, it’s no joke. The time spent in Hell cannot be measured in human terms…it is horror beyond horror, however UR underscores that in the end the cross will have been victorious over all sin and death…for all.

Hell is still very real and there isn’t a set and measurable period in which one is in Hell. Hell is a horror beyond description. However, it serves a purpose other than fulfilling God’s love for torture 17 year old Hindus who never had a chance to hear the Gospel.

[Scott Hutchinson]

The thing I ponder is thing,if immortality was lost due to the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the garden,how can those outside of the household of faith have eternal life ?
Of course the wicked be punshed no doubt.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Not everyone will be “saved” according to UR. Jesus came to save men from God’s judgment. Many will be lost to the Kingdom of God and face God's judgment in Hell. However, UR believes that eventually, perhaps in the dateless future, in ages untold, God will reconcile all creation unto himself. Those souls who experience Hell’s punishment will be broken down into absolute surrender to God’s authority. In that day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to God’s glory. Hell is very real, it’s no joke. The time spent in Hell cannot be measured in human terms…it is horror beyond horror, however UR underscores that in the end the cross will have been victorious over all sin and death…for all.

Hell is still very real and there isn’t a set and measurable period in which one is in Hell. Hell is a horror beyond description. However, it serves a purpose other than fulfilling God’s love for torture 17 year old Hindus who never had a chance to hear the Gospel.

Let's face it there is no bible verse that plainly states all will be saved eventually it is ? Please show me if there is.
The atonement is made for all men,but all men won't believe.

[Antipas]

Consider the parables of Christ regarding the unforgiving servant (Matthew 18:34-35) and his descriptions of a prisoner's fate (Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:59) - Jesus indicated that punishment is not eternal but lasts only until one's entire debt is paid (Matthew 18:34).

[Scott Hutchinson]

God does have wrath,and it was not intended for mankind,but I don't want to face God in a lost condition.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Let's face it there is no bible verse that plainly states all will be saved eventually it is ? Please show me if there is.
The atonement is made for all men,but all men won't believe.

It is written,

Philippians 2: 10-11.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

All men will believe and submit to the glory of God.

[Scott Hutchinson]

A drunk can agree to the fact that Jesus is lord and that doesn't mean he is saved.
Repentance and confession are different.
Devils believe in one God and tremble but they aren't saved ?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

God does have wrath,and it was not intended for mankind,but I don't want to face God in a lost condition.

And you shouldn't. Hell's real. Very real. The UR position simply reconciles it with God's love and mercy, brings it's purpose into perspective and warns of his horror admonishing that all turn to Christ who died for them that they might avoid this horror. A single second in Hell is an eternity of horror that can't be described. Let's not kid ourselves.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

A drunk can agree to the fact that Jesus is lord and that doesn't mean he is saved.
Repentance and confession are different.
Devils believe in one God and tremble but they aren't saved ?

To confess that Jesus is Lord is to submit to his authority over one's self. And please note...this is to God's glory.