Do OPs have a grace problem? - Page 18

LUKE2447 · #**171** 04-03-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Luke... what are all the rules that one must live by to be saved??? Please list them.

you have asked this before. I won't repeat myself. read what I have written.
To him that knoweth to do good and do it not it is sin. IT is a progressive revelation of God of which we are held accountable. No less than Abraham...

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Because you have "obeyed my voice,

seekerman · #**172** 04-03-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Farfel

We aren't redeemed by our walk, but we maintain our redemption with our walk.

Redemption is maintained by our walk? What exactly do you do, or not do, to maintain your redemption? Remember, we were redeemed with the blood of the Lamb, how is that which is redeemed thrown away by the redeemer?

Aquila · #**173** 04-03-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

dwelling on a thought and thinking it are too different things. Also God judges our live within the context of the whole of faithfulness.

If Abraham would have said God in a moment of weakness thought I can't offer Isaac and all of a sudden a tree fell on him. Would he have received the promise of God? you points fail on so many things I find it amusing. You assume this random event would happen and God went. ooops didn't set my clock for that event. smh

Luke... just answer the question. Let's say you're on the high way on the way to work and you sin... a second later your car is crushed by a semi. You have unrepented sin. Will you go to Hell???

Or... what if something is indeed a sin and you don't know it? Like what if having the internet is sinful in God's eyes. Will you be damned to Hell for having it???

Aquila · #**174** 04-03-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

you have asked this before. I won't repeat myself. read what I have written.
To him that knoweth to do good and do it not it is sin. IT is a progressive revelation of God of which we are held accountable. No less than Abraham...

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Because you have "obeyed my voice,

Luke... don't you realize that while Abraham is a type of the born again believer... he isn't an exact prototype??? It is his faith that is assailed... no one can even list the commandments, statutes, or laws that Abraham was aware of... they weren't entirely listed in Scripture. They were largely relating to Abraham's dispensation and culture.

The Law of Christ is SUPERIOR to any law or statute that Abraham lived by.

Farfel · #**175** 04-03-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Redemption is maintained by our walk? What exactly do you do, or not do, to maintain your redemption? Remember, we were redeemed with the blood of the Lamb, how is that which is redeemed thrown away by the redeemer?

Follow Him, and keep His commandments.

LUKE2447 · #**176** 04-03-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Because we are redeemed, because we are in Christ, because of grace, that's not a license to sin. Again, I don't think anyone is attempting to justify sin or excuse sin.

why are you going on a tangent I have not brought up. You focus on the typical point of "license" to sin. Grace is not about your ability to sin and still be DELIVERED. Notice I used delivered. Salvation is the deliverance from the authority or sin. No matter how you want to spin it. Salvation in your view is the ability to sin without the reality of loss of salvation. While true God does give a divine edict to sin or license in your view. It is the "right" to still be considered righteous while STILL in sin.

seekerman · #**177** 04-03-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Farfel

Follow Him, and keep His commandments.

Do you have scripture where that will keep someone redeemed? I don't think I've ever read scripture where it speaks of someone keeping their redemption.

LUKE2447 · #**178** 04-03-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Luke... don't you realize that while Abraham is a type of the born again believer... he isn't an exact prototype??? It is his faith that is assailed... no one can even list the commandments, statutes, or laws that Abraham was aware of... they weren't entirely listed in Scripture. They were largely relating to Abraham's dispensation and culture.

The Law of Christ is SUPERIOR to any law or statute that Abraham lived by.

Aquila read instead of ASSUME! Knowledge was dictated by HEARING! You have not FOLLOWED what I have said in reading wht I have said in total. I find it amusing you think the same principles are not the same for Abraham as us. All lives are contextually specific but the general principles of God's law is always the same. God did not tell me to move from as Abram did in Gen 12. So I am not accoutable to that. "to know to do good(move Gen 12) and doeth it not.

Abraham was under the law of CHrist as well. The law of Christ vs stone is about medium not difference in bringing about the reality of the royal law.

Abraham knew Christ the Angel of Jehovah etc...

seekerman · #**179** 04-03-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

why are you going on a tangent I have not brought up. You focus on the typical point of "license" to sin. Grace is not about your ability to sin and still be DELIVERED. Notice I used delivered. Salvation is the deliverance from the authority or sin. No matter how you want to spin it. Salvation in your view is the ability to sin without the reality of loss of salvation. While true God does give a divine edict to sin or license in your view. It is the "right" to still be considered righteous while STILL in sin.

I'm not sure about you, but I'm still a sinnner. I have a problem with sin in my life, I often have a problem with following the Spirit instead of flesh and I do that which I don't want to do and do fail to do those things which I wish to do. O wretched man that I am!! Or should I say, O wretched REDEEMED man that I am!!

My righteousness lies in Christ, not in me. I attempt to live unto Him but oft times I fail, get up, succeed and then fail again. But never once was my redemption in jeopardy. Not once did God consider unredeeming me, throwing me in the garbage pit. That's because I'm His son, purchased with a price that's beyond value. That's because HE is the redeemer, not me.

On the other hand, you, it seems, are placing the hope of redemption in yourself and the righteous works you do to earn your redemption. That takes Jesus out of the picture to a certain extent though.

KWSS1976 · #**180** 04-03-2013, 01:29 PM

[url]http://www.hymnary.org/hymn/PHN51911/16 why sing a song if we are not saved by Grace..Have heard it many times in my Apostolic Church...Even have sang some Amazing Grace.. I can post that one to but some on here are not saved by his Grace...lol..O I love having fun with you guys and your silly doctrines..We sing Grace songs in our Apostolic/Pentecostal churches but we are not saved by Grace...lol love it.