Cosmetics???

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by coadie

What does the bible say?

hint; Adam and Eve

Their wardrobe schedule was

1 Nudity
2 Fig leaves
3 PETA offensive skins.


So God decided what they should wear.

But...but...you used the example of babies being born NAKED and unpainted to support not using makeup!

So if that doesn't mean we should go naked, where do you see anything in scripture that tells us about wearing paint?

And should we only wear skins, since God decided that's what we should wear? Are we sinning if we wear cotton instead?


P.S. You didn't answer the question.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by tbpew

IMO, this topic is like so many we engage here. When the bible does not state some prohibition in a verbatim manner, both ends of an opinion-defined continuim can argue from silence (and fill up several pages while doing so).

The NT is about motive; imaginations that are revealed from some abundance of our hearts.

IMO, for every 10 people who use topical applications of cosemtics to mitigate some troubling facial appearance (causing them distress when they are in public), there are 200 who apply these masking techniques to enhance what [they believe] 'others' will see as beauty belonging to the wearer.

The persons involved in these applications do not feel appropriately presented (acceptable) without the addition of some daily artwork afixed to their countenance.

I am saddened for those who must run on this hamster wheel all the days of their public life, but I guess a lot of folks thoroughly enjoy every hour involved in this decorating effort.

You are correct.

Just like so many other things - "When the bible does not state some prohibition in a verbatim manner" - I practice moderation.

I assure you I don't look like a different person when I don't have on makeup. I have known some that do -- that's too much.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by tbpew

IMO, this topic is like so many we engage here. When the bible does not state some prohibition in a verbatim manner, both ends of an opinion-defined continuim can argue from silence (and fill up several pages while doing so).

The NT is about motive; imaginations that are revealed from some abundance of our hearts.

IMO, for every 10 people who use topical applications of cosemtics to mitigate some troubling facial appearance (causing them distress when they are in public), there are 200 who apply these masking techniques to enhance what [they believe] 'others' will see as beauty belonging to the wearer.

The persons involved in these applications do not feel appropriately presented (acceptable) without the addition of some daily artwork afixed to their countenance.

I am saddened for those who must run on this hamster wheel all the days of their public life, but I guess a lot of folks thoroughly enjoy every hour involved in this decorating effort.

This is so true!! I was in the cosmetic industry before getting in church. I can attest to the fact that I was very tired - sick and tired - of the pressure put on women to "have" to enhance their looks!!!!

We do that we do these things for ourselves - BUT - in all actuality, we are pressured into it by the subliminal media and society. That is my opinion.

I get very offended by men that say, and that includes those on this forum () that some women need work.

Well, honey - you ain't married to her - so mind your own business.

Okay, I feel better. Have a nice day!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by tbpew

IMO, this topic is like so many we engage here. When the bible does not state some prohibition in a verbatim manner, both ends of an opinion-defined continuim can argue from silence (and fill up several pages while doing so).

The NT is about motive; imaginations that are revealed from some abundance of our hearts.

Ummm.. yeah, I see where you're going with this...

However, that rationale has been used to preach against a whole laundry list of things without biblical basis (such as red clothes, panty hose, shaving your legs, wearing cufflinks, drinking coca cola, wearing open-toed shoes, curling irons, etc etc).

When men wanted to make teach their own personal convictions into a doctrine or "standard', they resorted to that line of reasoning you just offered up.

Believe me, there is something that YOU do, or someone in your family, that a preacher somewhere can preach against.... and he'll claim it's based on some NT "principle", since he knows there's no scripture anywhere for him to base his teaching on.

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Too much of this stuff is based on judmentalism, flawed biblical analysis (or twisting of scripture), desire to maintain "the old landmarks" we got from the old timers, and/or a misplaced desire to "keep people saved" by making a ton of rules, even if the rules have no biblical support.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I love your silly puppy in your avatar!!!!!!

Thanks. Just got him 17 days ago from the shelter... little Daniel France.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is so true!! I was in the cosmetic industry before getting in church. I can attest to the fact that I was very tired - sick and tired - of the pressure put on women to "have" to enhance their looks!!!!

We day that we do these things for ourselves - BUT - in all actuality, we are pressured into it by the subliminal media and society. That is my opinion.

Of course! And the inequality just STINKS!!! LOL!

I get very offended by men that say, and that includes those on this forum () that some women need work.

What is maddening about it is that a man can have an equivalent (and normal) look with graying hair, smile lines, crow's feet, a few age spots, and NO ONE will tell him he needs to cover it up with make-up in order to be handsome. He is accepted just as he is, and may even be called "distinguished-looking."

A woman looks her age, and she's called dowdy or frumpy.

It's ridiculous, and an unchristian point of view, IMO. It's men who have bought into a Hollywood-perpetrated female ideal, and they get upset if their wives don't measure up.

Absolutely women feel the pressure from society--AND their husbands.

Jeff has NEVER pressured me to wear makeup, and actually has expressed his desire that I don't wear it. (Not because he thinks its wrong--he just doesn't like it.) I have an aunt who always gets up earlier than her husband so she can "put on her face" before he wakes up--and has done so for all their many years of marriage. (Stands at close to 50 right now.)

While I appreciate the effort she is putting into looking nice for her husband, I also feel sorry for her that she feels she has to, and annoyed with men in general, who make their wives feel they aren't pretty without paint.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Ummm.. yeah, I see where you're going with this...

However, that rationale has been used to preach against a whole laundry list of things without biblical basis (such as red clothes, panty hose, shaving your legs, wearing cufflinks, drinking coca cola, wearing open-toed shoes, curling irons, etc etc).

When men wanted to make teach their own personal convictions into a doctrine or "standard', they resorted to that line of reasoning you just offered up.

Believe me, there is something that YOU do, or someone in your family, that a preacher somewhere can preach against.... and he'll claim it's based on some NT "principle", since he knows there's no scripture anywhere for him to base his teaching on.

TRF,
I am not interested in being a surrogate to "conclude the matter" for any one, any where, at any time.

I am wanting to make sure that those who I can influence, and those that can influence me, have a means to 'shake the tree' to make sure that each considers what could be working its subtle influence in our lives.

Why do we do the things we do?

Smearing a grease-based, bright color on one's lips, has a vast set of possible drivers working behind this societal ritual.

Spiritual people ask why they participate in things that are sourced from the activity of what the scripture would call 'cosmos'.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Of course! And the inequality just STINKS!!! LOL!



What is maddening about it is that a man can have an equivalent (and normal) look with graying hair, smile lines, crow's feet, a few age spots, and NO ONE will tell him he needs to cover it up with make-up in order to be handsome. He is accepted just as he is, and may even be called "distinguished-looking."

A woman looks her age, and she's called dowdy or frumpy.

It's ridiculous, and an unchristian point of view, IMO. It's men who have bought into a Hollywood-perpetrated female ideal, and they get upset if their wives don't measure up.

Absolutely women feel the pressure from society--AND their husbands.

Jeff has NEVER pressured me to wear makeup, and actually has expressed his desire that I don't wear it. (Not because he thinks its wrong--he just doesn't like it.) I have an aunt who always gets up earlier than her husband so she can "put on her face" before he wakes up--and has done so for all their many years of marriage. (Stands at close to 50 right now.)

While I appreciate the effort she is putting into looking nice for her husband, I also feel sorry for her that she feels she has to, and annoyed with men in general, who make their wives feel they aren't pretty without paint.

Abigail,
You can't imagine what food is doing to our bodies! Since I've been on my detox program and eating organic, my skin has a totally noticeable change!!!! I feel wonderful!!!!

My husband prefers me with no make-up and never has pressured me at all. Aging with him will be easy.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by tbpew

TRF,
I am not interested in "concluding the matter" for any one, any where, at any time.

I am wanting to make sure that those who I can influence, and those that can influence me, have a means to 'shake the tree' to make sure that each considers what could be working its subtle influence in our lives.

Why do we do the things we do?
Smearing a grease-based, bright color on one's lips, has a vast set of possible drivers working behind this ritual.

Spiritual people ask why they participate in things that are sourced from the activity of 'cosmos'.

Spritual people might also ask, since the use of cosmetics has existed since Old Testament times, why God never spoke against it anywhere in His bible.

And if they dont have a shred of scripture against it, (but have to resort to non-biblically-based arguments)...they might ask if maybe this stuff doesnt matter to God as much as it matters to some of us.

[coadie]

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is so true!! I was in the cosmetic industry before getting in church. I can attest to the fact that I was very tired - sick and tired - of the pressure put on women to "have" to enhance their looks!!!!

We do that we do these things for ourselves - BUT - in all actuality, we are pressured into it by the subliminal media and society. That is my opinion.

I get very offended by men that say, and that includes those on this forum () that some women need work.

Well, honey - you ain't married to her - so mind your own business.

Okay, I feel better. Have a nice day!

Television. People will copy the looks of people they like. I have friends that have a chain of western stores. Their biz took off after a movie Urban cowboy.
People are extremely shalow and it is interesting how much spunk they put into defending themselves as looking unique and having original looks.

Pepsi corporate had a look years ago I named Pepsi Pretty. All the Ivy league MBA's wore london fog coats, the same blue suits and button down shirts and drove BMWs at their pay grade. But every one thought each and every shallow attribute was unique to them.

I wrote a little research years ago on comparing the levels of self esteem on non conformity. People with healthy self esteem are comfy with a greater level of non conformity. With the web and other technologies, how people try to be percieved and how they percieve themselves and how others they know in person truly percieve them are vast distances appart.