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Old 07-24-2014, 09:15 AM
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Re: If you have to wear make-up to be accepted....

It goes back to the matter of the heart. For what purpose are you doing something... that is what really matters.

If you apply makeup or camouflage paint as a male because you are going hunting or are in war, what is wrong with that?

If, as a female, you use makeup much like adding a belt or a scarf to your outfit to compliment your attire, what is wrong with that?

If however, you are applying makeup to look like a "whore" and attract the gaze and stare and attention of other men, then that is a problem. If as a man, you are putting on makeup because you want to look like a woman, that is a problem.

The heart issue remains the key note here, imo.
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:40 PM
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It goes back to the matter of the heart. For what purpose are you doing something... that is what really matters.

If you apply makeup or camouflage paint as a male because you are going hunting or are in war, what is wrong with that?

If, as a female, you use makeup much like adding a belt or a scarf to your outfit to compliment your attire, what is wrong with that?

If however, you are applying makeup to look like a "whore" and attract the gaze and stare and attention of other men, then that is a problem. If as a man, you are putting on makeup because you want to look like a woman, that is a problem.

The heart issue remains the key note here, imo.
I have never once felt like dressing like a whore since I left OP. Just sayin'
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I have never once felt like dressing like a whore since I left OP. Just sayin'
Wow, better be careful about using the term "dressing like a whore" that will get a picket line in front of your home or place of business pretty quick. Political correctness says there is no definition for what is considered "dressing like a whore" anymore. So, let's all go back to sleep because our government and media is taking care of everything.
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:28 PM
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Wow, better be careful about using the term "dressing like a whore" that will get a picket line in front of your home or place of business pretty quick. Political correctness says there is no definition for what is considered "dressing like a whore" anymore. So, let's all go back to sleep because our government and media is taking care of everything.
Um, everybody has a pretty good idea of what "dressing like a whore" means. And it doesn't mean showing your knees and wearing a tank-top. Just sayin.
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Um, everybody has a pretty good idea of what "dressing like a whore" means. And it doesn't mean showing your knees and wearing a tank-top. Just sayin.
Everyone has a pretty good idea? Evidently not anymore, as the times change and people move further away from a culture that covered up their hide, and knew what was the attire of a harlot. You prove that with the last line of your post. There was a time 1960s when the tank top would of lifted an eyebrow. When hot pants first came out a.k.a short shorts, people were shocked. As I said recently to a couple who commented on me wearing a suit Sunday morning, I told them that by the time my daughters are my age people will be wearing pelts and walking around nude. So much for the "dressing like a whore" comment.

Our culture is so backward it isn't funny making fun of holiness standards of Pentecostals is something ex-conservatives do among themselves. The rest of the thinking world is wondering what in God's name went wrong. You will be surprised how statistically people tend to move towards stricter forms of religion due to its promise of stability when the world around them is changing for the worst. My friend's ROCOR church is seeing a big surge of not only old members coming back, but new converts. This particular ROCOR church doesn't even have pews (only for the elderly) but people stand for the liturgy.

Islam winning converts and look at their standards, even people moving towards conservative Judaism.

Sorry to steer off the path a tad, but let's face it, saying someone is dressing like a whore is becoming a thing of the past. Unless you live in Dog Lick South Middle of No Where.

Wow, ILG are you becoming more like your old alter ego as time goes by?
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Um, everybody has a pretty good idea of what "dressing like a whore" means. And it doesn't mean showing your knees and wearing a tank-top. Just sayin.
Great! What am I suppose to wear to the pool?
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Good for you.
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If you apply makeup or camouflage paint as a male because you are going hunting or are in war, what is wrong with that?
That kind of make-up is not cosmetic in origin, design or purpose. It's not intended to beautify.

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If, as a female, you use makeup much like adding a belt or a scarf to your outfit to compliment your attire, what is wrong with that?
If as a female, you use make-up because you feel a need to overcome a sub-conscious, psychological inferiority complex regarding a perceived sub-standard physical appearance, what's wrong with that?

If as a female, you use make-up because you feel a need to conform your outward image to the world due to peer-pressure and a need to comply to antichrist standards of what it means to be accepted by your fellow human being, what's wrong with that?

If as a female, you use make-up because your mother made you wear it from the time you were a child because no self-respecting female would dare go out into the world without her "face on", what's wrong with that?

If as a female, you use make-up because it garners positive attention from men and because among other female friends and colleagues, it gives you a sense of having confidence with your place in the world, what's wrong with that?

If as a female, you use make-up because you want to have an edge in the looks department over those who don't, because glamorization of self as an act of pride and lust just doesn't matter to you, what's wrong with that?

If as a female, you use make-up because you want to accessorize and artistically redefine your appearance into something more fashionable because it's the hip and cool thing (in your eyes) to do, then, what's wrong with that?

See how this works?

I can't think of any morally justifiable reason why a Christian woman would go out of her way to purchase and implement cosmetics except for one or a combination of the above reasons.

Does it speak to the motive of the heart? Absolutely! But what does Scripture say about the human heart? Desperately wicked and deceitful above all things, right?

What it comes down to is this:

God never demands that a woman accentuate, glamorize, beautify, or in any other way, amend her personal appearance with or through make-up, in order to be accepted with Him.

No church with a right-standing with God would ever demand a woman to do so, either.

No saint with a right-standing with God would ever demand a woman to do so, either.

So where does the pressure come from? It's either from within (making it a psychological reason) or from without (making it a worldly, antichristian reason based in the culture).

We are to be conformed to the image of God's Son. Holy in all manner of lifestyle. Holy means separated unto God for consecration and dedication. Does this mean that God refuses to consider a woman holy if she wears any amount of make-up? That's not my call. It's God's.

But we can say the following, because the Holy Scriptures say as much:

We are not to act like, talk like, look like, or be like the world and all its sinful mess. We are not to be "conformed to this world" (Romans 12:2). Conformed means to not shape and fashion yourself the way the world does.

The modern, Western world and the cultures being represented by such a world, hold as fashionable the use of make-up on women to glamorize and beautify themselves. As such, while there is no one verse of Scripture saying "thou shalt not use cosmetics", a principle of the Word nevertheless instructs us on how we should and should not appear.

The world must be rejected at all costs, because the world is perishing and will be lost. Even the planet itself is going to be destroyed!

Does it mean a woman has lost her soul with the world? Again, that is God's decision.

But remember the heart and what God asked through Jeremiah, after He declared it desperately wicked and deceitful above all things:

He asked: Who can know it?

The average person, even a saintly woman of God (or man for that matter) can't always, or perhaps even ever, peer into their own heart and know exactly what's going on in there and why.

So what do we do? Rest in the knowledge that YHWH searches the hearts and tries the reins. He knows, and if and when He sees worldiness in the heart of a make-up wearing woman, be assured He will, in His own time and place, address it, not because make-up is inherently evil, but because its use can and often is, an outward symptom of an inward obsession with the very world that perishes.

So, is it any wonder that God might have a preacher condemn the use of cosmetics? Their use and association, IN SO MANY WAYS, is just as bad as the use of alcohol to get a woman more pliable to a man's seductions, because the woman often wears and applies the cosmetic to make herself more readily available for seduction.

Why this stuff is so hard to comprehend and agree to by other Spirit-filled saints is beyond me.
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The Bible is clear that the homosexual shall not enter into heaven, but also it includes the effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9
Effeminates are those who want to imitate woman's manners.
Look up the Greek for effeminate. It's referring to a catamite, i.e. a young male, usually a slave, who was used or kept, often in pagan temples, for sex, by sodomites (i.e. the "abuser of himself with mankind).

It has nothing to do with a man appearing or acting feminine in manner, except in cases where the catamite has made himself appear more feminine in order to act like a woman, or to be more attractive to a sodomite male.
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