Romans 10:9

[Ron]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

The Scripture you referenced from James is not talking about saving faith as Romans 10:9 is. For demons cannot obtain salvation. One of our greatest act of obedience is our faith.

But tell me, Ron, what does Romans 10:9 mean to you? Is what Paul says in plain language mean anything? Show me in context, what Romans 10:9 is saying?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


It says a lot of shall, unto, shalt.
Not you are saved!

I do not question believe & faith, but they are just our start, not are be all & end all.

I will tell you this too-Obeying Acts 2:38 isn't a be all to end all either-unless you drop dead at the Altar or the rapture takes place.
I need to follow after Jesus, be discipled, grow, bear fruit.

Would you not agree?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Ron

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The gospel of Jesus Christ is that he died for our sins and that on the 3rd day he resurrected and now offers Believers eternal life. See it plainly here:


Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed. (1 Corinthians 15)


Believing in the resurrection of the dead is our hope and nobody except for believing Christians can claim this!

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It's a paraphase Bible.

The two of you can marginalize all you want, but your favorite KJV does not say anything differently.

[KwaiQ]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

The two of you can marginalize all you want, but your favorite KJV does not say anything differently.

They are not marginalizing... they are just believing the witness of all the Scripture.

[Coonskinner]

The Book of Romans was written to saints already born of water and Spirit, and gave them instruction in living an overcoming life.

It was not written to sinners needing instructions on how to be saved.

[Coonskinner]

A born again person must confess and believe in order to maintain their walk of faith.

The Book was addressed to "the saints at Rome."

It is a federal offense to read somebody else's mail.

You can find example of what the Apostles preached to sinners in the Book of Acts.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

The Scripture you referenced from James is not talking about saving faith as Romans 10:9 is. For demons cannot obtain salvation. One of our greatest act of obedience is our faith.

But tell me, Ron, what does Romans 10:9 mean to you? Is what Paul says in plain language mean anything? Show me in context, what Romans 10:9 is saying?

Abraham did some believing in that passage, not just the devil; and he did have to receive justification.

No soap ,J.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Ron

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


It says a lot of shall, unto, shalt.
Not you are saved!

I do not question believe & faith, but they are just our start, not are be all & end all.

I will tell you this too-Obeying Acts 2:38 isn't a be all to end all either-unless you drop dead at the Altar or the rapture takes place.
I need to follow after Jesus, be discipled, grow, bear fruit.

Would you not agree?

Bro, you have to give me more than that...what is this whole bit about shall, unto and shalt. Shall means: will happen in the future

When we start discussing shalls, upon and shalts, it appears to indicate that many get stuck in their King James version and lose all its meaning because they are reading from a language that is not in line with their vernacular.

As for believing being our starting point that is exactly what I said in my 2nd response to you...I said it's the beginning of our faith walk and I never implied that it is be all end all...it's our launching pad into the promises of God. Faith is our greatest act of obedience.


Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. (Romans 3:31)


And yes I would agree with you on your last points.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by KwaiQ

They are not marginalizing... they are just believing the witness of all the Scripture.

Of course they are marginalizing when they ask questions like "what version is that?" and comments like "paraphrase bible"....it's self-evident.

[Brother Price]

Was Abraham justified when he believed, or when he was circumcised? The scriptures declare that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. So, we now take scriptures which speak of salvation and delegate them to salvation after salvation? Wow! That is just...strange to me.