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Old 03-25-2008, 08:26 PM
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Re: God created more then one male and female.

Here in first chapter God created all different races of people.God took the first man of races he created and formed him and placed him in the garden.The sons of God came from Adam the one placed in the garden.The sons of men came from the other races God created.

Gen.1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8: And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed
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Old 03-25-2008, 08:32 PM
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Re: God created more then one male and female.

Fact is,there is no scripture that teaches all man kind came from one man and women.
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:39 PM
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Where did Cain get a wife and the people to start building a city?Adam and Eve didn't have more children until after Cain knew his wife and built a city.Gen.4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew
very weak reasoning, not to mention that this opinion practically wipes out every new testament reference to Adam an sin, and Christ as the second Adam. And if this were so, what about the others that God created, they wern't given the chance to be in Eden? come on, is this the best thing to discuss/debate?
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Where did Cain get a wife and the people to start building a city?Adam and Eve didn't have more children until after Cain knew his wife and built a city.Gen.4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew
Joel try reading what others are posting, your questions were already answered. BTW...do you believe the flood was world wide and killed everyone but Noah and his family?
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Seth took the place of Abel.Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
Gen 5:2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.
Gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
Gen 5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
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Seth took the place of Abel.Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew
Once again, as others have stated, this does not reconcile the fact that there were no daughters prior to Seth. Seth may have been a replacement for Abel, but the argument does not hold water that Seth was indeed the 3rd child. Women, for various reasons and their stature in the Old testament, were not mentioned. This even caries into the NT with the feeding of the 5000. It states there were 5000 men. No mention of the women or children.
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Where did Cain get a wife and the people to start building a city?Adam and Eve didn't have more children until after Cain knew his wife and built a city.Gen.4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew
Where does scripture say that they didn't have any more children until Seth was born?

Trust me on this. I fully believe that Adam, being a typical man, 'knew' his wife quite often! It's also fact that they had many sons and daughters.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

It doesn't say that he begat those sons and daughters AFTER Seth, but that he had many children. We know he had at least two before Seth, but they aren't mentioned as being born before Seth, but rather, they are mentioned in the 'begat sons and daughters' portion of the verse.
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Me thinks that Joelel isn't interested in what anyone else has to say, but instead just wants a sounding board to hear himself preach heresy.
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Fact is,there is no scripture that teaches all man kind came from one man and women.

Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (KJV)

Rom 5:15
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. (KJV)

If other men were created apart from Adam then Adams sin would have no bearing on them which would make the above scriptures inaccurate that through one man's sin all of mankind was affected.
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Re: God created more then one male and female.

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Once again, as others have stated, this does not reconcile the fact that there were no daughters prior to Seth. Seth may have been a replacement for Abel, but the argument does not hold water that Seth was indeed the 3rd child. Women, for various reasons and their stature in the Old testament, were not mentioned. This even caries into the NT with the feeding of the 5000. It states there were 5000 men. No mention of the women or children.
We assume there were daughters, maybe many.
There could also have been sons, even many of them.

Cain and Abel were adults when they brought their offerings.
Maybe Eve considered her new little boy a replacement for her adult son, Abel.


Of course, we can come up with other ideas like maybe people landed on earth from other planets and that's who the one or two children of Adam and Eve married.
Or we can believe Adam's few children mated with animals and much of the population was from them.

Something not mentioned is that some believe that Eve was not Adam's first wife. They believe that his first wife was someone named Lillith and Eve was a replacement for her. Maybe Adam had children by Lilleth before he had children with Eve.
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