If we are supposed to follow the example laid out for us in scripture, then where does that leave those who don't? This may be why this former pastor of mine would not use "Lord Jesus Christ" when baptizing converts. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, "Lord Jesus", "Jesus", and "Jesus Christ" are used, but not "Lord Jesus Christ."
...We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. -John 1:41
...I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ...-John 4:25
Christ- comes from the Greek; Christos (Anointed).
It's equivalent to moshiach, or Messiah, in Hebrew.
Isaiah speaks of the soon coming anointed one in Is 61:1-2
That's what the word "Messiah" and/or "Christ" signifies, Anointed One.
...We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. -John 1:41
...I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ...-John 4:25
Christ- comes from the Greek; Christos (Anointed).
It's equivalent to moshiach, or Messiah, in Hebrew.
Isaiah speaks of the soon coming anointed one in Is 61:1-2
That's what the word "Messiah" and/or "Christ" signifies, Anointed One.
You are correct it seems, but does one have to say in the name of Jesus the Messiah or Christ when baptizing?
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Is "Jesus" the first name, and "Christ" the last name?
We all believe that "Father", "Son" and "Holy Ghost" are titles, but is "Christ" also a title? When we baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, are we saying his name and title?
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
The name "Jesus" is an Anglicization of the Greek Ίησους (Iēsous), itself a Hellenization of the Hebrew יהושע (Yehoshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic ישוע (Yeshua), meaning "YHWH rescues". "Christ" is a title derived from the Greek Χριστός (Christós), meaning the "Anointed One," which corresponds to the Hebrew-derived "Messiah".[5]
My rule of thumb is any noun you can put 'the" in front of is a title.
It's usually us that take a title and turn it into a proper name by removing the article
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and of the Word, and of the Wonderful, and of the Counsellor, and of the Mighty God, and of the Everlasting Father and of the Prince of Peace and of the Alpha and of the Omega, and of the Advocate, and of the High Priest and of the Author and Finisher, and of the Amen, and of the...
How about Jesus? It's all in Him, after all.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
He was Yeshua Ha Mashiach. Jesus the Messiah. He was NEVER called Jesus. He was called Yeshua. It was not an uncommon name at that time.
If fact, if we're going to make the NAME have remission effects on sin, shouldn't we use the REAL name? If we don't use the REAL name, does the baptism work?
I don't baptize in the name of Yeshua. I always do it "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."
Only if you believe in magik.
BTW saying the name is important in remission of sins is not the same thing as saying saying that word in baptism does something. God is the one that remits sins. We baptize in HIS name. We wrongly think the devils merely fear the repeating of the name of Jesus when in reality they fear the authority that name has. We have authority. It's in His name. Why we have to say it I don't know but Paul did when he cast out devils.
It's not a magical invokation but it is nevertheless the biblical way of doing it
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
BTW saying the name is important in remission of sins is not the same thing as saying saying that word in baptism does something. God is the one that remits sins. We baptize in HIS name. We wrongly think the devils merely fear the repeating of the name of Jesus when in reality they fear the authority that name has. We have authority. It's in His name. Why we have to say it I don't know but Paul did when he cast out devils.
It's not a magical invokation but it is nevertheless the biblical way of doing it
Amen and Amen.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
There are no examples of anyone being baptized using "the Lord Jesus Christ" in the NT. Interesting, ain't it?
Actually, there is no place in the NT where the words used in baptism are recorded. In other words, there is no place where a baptism is recorded and it is recorded that the one baptizing says, "I baptize you in the name of......."
Acts 15:17 speaks of people "upon whom my name is called"
and James 2:7 speaks of a name which has been called over us or invoked over us. James 2:7 in the Amplified Bible reads as follows: "Is it not they who slander and blaspheme that precious name by which you are distinguished and called [the name of Christ invoked in baptism]?"
Youngs Literal Translation says:"do they not themselves speak evil of the good name that was called upon you?"
Darby reads: "And [do not] they blaspheme the excellent name which has been called upon you?"
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