Is there a Spiritual Transformation at forgiveness

[deadeye]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

For me it was about the biggest change that took place. I turned my life around and turned my mind around at that time. The HG was the added bonus. Once I made the choice to change I changed. The HG was great and I felt wonderful afterwards, but to me the greater changed happened once I was saved (by accepting Jesus)

Glad you had a great experiance....but your view of salvation by accepting Christ is erronoeous....no salvation without the New Birth Acts 2:38 experiance...and the HG is not an added bonus, it is the spirit that will quicken your mortal body.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by deadeye

Glad you had a great experiance....but your view of salvation by accepting Christ is erronoeous....no salvation without the New Birth Acts 2:38 experiance...and the HG is not an added bonus, it is the spirit that will quicken your mortal body.

Please, JT was not writing a white paper on salvation. He was just commenting about the "change."

You cannot from one simple comment judge his "view of salvation."

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by deadeye

Glad you had a great experiance....but your view of salvation by accepting Christ is erronoeous....no salvation without the New Birth Acts 2:38 experiance...and the HG is not an added bonus, it is the spirit that will quicken your mortal body.

Thanks for your concern about my view, but this is a subject well visited on this forum. You may reread most of my posts and see where I am coming from....been in the oneness church for 23 yrs incase you care to know. I been around the block and heard it all.

Originally Posted by U376977

Please, JT was not writing a white paper on salvation. He was just commenting about the "change."

You cannot from one simple comment judge his "view of salvation."

Thanks for standing up for me bro. But he had me pegged....you know the truth on how I believe too. Thanks!

[U376977]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Thanks for your concern about my view, but this is a subject well visited on this forum. You may reread most of my posts and see where I am coming from....been in the oneness church for 23 yrs incase you care to know. I been around the block and heard it all.




Thanks for standing up for me bro. But he had me pegged....you know the truth on how I believe too. Thanks!

Yeah, to put it in terms used here....I am just tired of the 3 steppers and 1 steppers same old arguments. I think some 3 stepper people scan read every post looking for an opportunity to correct those of us they think are so full of "error."

[OneAccord]

"Come on out, brother, you're free"

With those words, an American soldier was freed from years in a German POW camp. He was hospitalized where compassionate doctors and nurses cared for him. He was fed foods that he had forgotten, was given the chance to exchange his filthy and ragged prison garb for clean and freshly pressed GI uniforms. He was then flown to England where he saw Buckingham Palace, the Thames River and London Bridge. He was taken to Paris where he saw the Effil Tower. Then, he was flown across the Atlantic where the pilot made a pass over the Statue of Liberty. They flew next over Washington DC where he saw the White House, the Washington Mounument, and the US Capitol.

Then, the plane landed in his home town, where he saw the faces he thought he would never see again: his mother, his wife and children, his friends.

Years later, the aging ex-POW was asked at what moment did he really feel that he was free. Was it the hospital? The Thames River? The Statue of Liberty? He thought for a minute then he answered..." No...all those things just represent freedom. I knew I was free when I heard that voice of a fellow GI: 'Come on out, brother, you're free'.

Jesus said, "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." Jhn 8:36 When I repented of my sins I was freed from the POW camp of a life without God. He changed me. No longer a prisoner. No longer a slave. I was free to follow Him. When He forgave my sin at the altar of repentance, I became a new creature in Christ.

We can't help but be transformed when we hear the Master say: " Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." Jhn 8:11

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by deadeye

Are you saying that we are born again as in the new birth...if so that is not true....we are not born again until we are born of the Water and Spirit....we are justified, and there is a conversion experiance, our minds have been changed....but this enables us to be born again because it changes the way God sees us...he has covered us in His rightouesness and we are made worthy of the New Birth.

well, i guess that's a debate for the 1 vs. 3 step 'plan' of salvation isse.

i'm a 'one-stepper' partially because the argument you present makes no sense. if you are justified you are converted. if your mind is changed you are born again. if we are covered by his righteousness we are saved. to say otherwise introduces nuances not found in scripture.

ok. that's all for me. i honestly cant' take the time to get into all this. it's been rehashed ad nausem.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Of course a change takes at repentance,because if you are truly sorry for being involved in sin you have made a change in your mind and lifestyle.
Of you are commanded to be buried in Jesus name and receive the Holy Ghost after repentance.
The Holy Ghost gives you the power to honor your commitment to Christ,you made at repentance.

YOU making a change in your mind does not equal necessarily a SPIRITUAL transformation. Only God can do that. Even atheists and pagans and whoever can make a change in their mind

[Praxeas]

Where does the bible say that forgiveness of sins makes for a spiritual change...Im talking a transformation of our nature, not a change of mind or direction or will...that's OUR part...Im talking about HIS part

[OneAccord]

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

2Cr 5:15 And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

????
Are you just forgiven? Or are you also spiritually transformed or changed?

I believe that there is a spiritual transformation/change any time we connect with God. How can someone be in the presence of God and not be changed?