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Originally Posted by A_PoMo
as i prob won't be back on here for a couple of days i don't want to be drawn too deeply into this discussion. but, i'll do a drive-by and leave my opinion, for whatever it's worth.
we are changed at forgiveness in the sense that spiritually we are born again and our standing with God is changed from a negative to a positive one. The Holy Spirit then helps us begin the life-long process of spiritual/worldview/mental/behavioral transformation as long we continue to learn about Christ and cooperate with Him as he makes us more like him. For some this process is steady and drastic changes take place as they stay focused on 'putting on Christ'. For others it is a slow process because they don't focus on discipleship, often times getting bogged down in religion.
so i would say yes, we are changed greatly at forgiveness as we have repented (switched sides, done a spiritual about face). that's a huge change of heart, and it's a spiritual one as we can only do this through coaxing and provision of Christ. from there...well, that remains to be seen.
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Are you saying that we are born again as in the new birth...if so that is not true....we are not born again until we are born of the Water and Spirit....we are justified, and there is a conversion experiance, our minds have been changed....but this enables us to be born again because it changes the way God sees us...he has covered us in His rightouesness and we are made worthy of the New Birth.
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