Oh So Now He and the President....

[Scott Hutchinson]

The more I see and hear out of the big two,this group seems appealing.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/press_kit.php

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson;896051
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Is it a sad day in American politics[/B], or is Mr. Steele telling the truth when he states that "he and President Obama aren't afforded the same tolerance of missteps as whites are because of their race."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201004...s/ynews_ts1505

Jermyn, I think you are right.

We had friends who lived across the street from us for several years -Jim and Rose. We are white. They are African American. We both belonged to the local swim club when our kids were younger and we've been to each other's house for social gatherings. He had a degree in Chemistry and a PhD in something and taught in a university in Chicago. They moved to Lexington, KY and could not get a loan approved on a house so someone financed him privately. They had a cross burned on their lawn. Later he moved to the Cincinnati area and applied for a job at Proctor and Gamble. He had to take an entry level job as a lab tech because of his race. He was way over qualified but that was company policy at the time. Later things changed and he advanced in the company. I've been in his house across the street and also in a larger house he moved into a couple of miles from here. He had lots of patents and awards displayed in his den. He is a very sharp guy. He has been discriminated against because of his race and he has also taken advantage of "affirmative action" programs to encourage others to go to college and to go into professions. One man told me he was raised in the projects and because of Jim's encouragement and knowledge of government help available he had gone on to college and was now a dentist. Jim also did minority recruiting for P & G. When I went to his retirement party, the folks from P & G admitted that at the time he was hired he had to come in at entry level because of race but he had since proved himself. Although they did not say it plainly, he actually had to work harder over the years to advance than a white person would. He retired at a pretty high position. I'm sure that over the years some looked at him and thought he only had that job because of his race.

His two sons are older than our sons and were very intelligent. One graduated from MIT. His mother told me about some of the job offers he got. She said he knew that some of them were just because he was black but he got to choose where he wanted to go to work.

His daughter is the age of some of our children and had a crush on one of our sons when they were in high school. He did not feel that way about her but as liberal as he is it was not a race matter, he just did not feel that way about her. My wife told him not to hurt her, that she would find some one else and she did. She married a white guy. I remember her Dad coming over here and talking to us. He just did not like the guy. He said, "It's not just because he's white. I wouldn't like him if he was black." My wife went to a bridal shower and was the first white person there since we lived across the street. After his family had left, the family and friends (all black) heaved a sigh of relief and my wife kidded them and said it was because "those white folks are gone." The wedding was in a church (African American congregation) near here and there was a reception (non-alcohol) in the church basement. Afterward, there was a private party in a nearby motel. My wife and I were the only white people there until the groom got there with his bride. Some of the people there assumed we were part of the groom's family because we were white. The groom was the only other white person there. Later, the couple moved to Texas and her parents were really concerned how their daughter might be treated there because of her race and her husband's race. He wasn't much of a husband and the marriage ended in a divorce. I'm sure the parents were glad to see him go.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

Jermyn, I think you are right.

Sam, what do you think I am right about?

I read all of what you posted.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Sam, what do you think I am right about?
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that "he and President Obama aren't afforded the same tolerance of missteps as whites are because of their race."

That goes two ways. As some African Americans say, "I have to work twice as hard because people think I got this job only because of my race" or "I have to keep my yard twice as nice looking to avoid people saying 'I told you so' when I moved into the neighborhood." That's one way African Americans are held to a different standards than white people.

Another way they are held to a different standard is through the set asides and affirmative action. This is just the opposite. I'll give some examples.
--Some years ago I was a foreman for a company and we had to hire an additional person. I interviewed a few people and told a higher manager who I wanted to hire. He over rode me with, "I want to see a black person in that job" so I had to hire someone who would not have been my first choice.

--A few years later when I was working at GE, a friend called me and told me he had a job opening up in his area and would be hiring someone. He told me he would get "a star if he hired an African American" and "two stars if he hired an African American female." I was not offered the job. Instead it went to an African American man that I had worked with and I felt like he was not as qualified as I.

--A young man I knew was looking at a listing and description of some positions that were open at a large company here in the Cincinnati area. These were entry level positions with training for higher level positions. The man there was very plain spoken and said, "Some pretty good jobs there, aren't there? You don't qualify." When he young man asked why, he replied, "You're the wrong color. These are for minorities."

[Praxeas]

What an irony....a party that does not like blacks elected a black man to head are now againts him because he is black....does that make sense?

How did GWB get so much criticism when he is white? He should have gotten a free pass.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

that "he and President Obama aren't afforded the same tolerance of missteps as whites are because of their race."

Sam,

I personally never said this.

I was quoting a line, an opinion from an article.


I started this thread to discuss that opinion.


My opinion is that some of Steele's critics, within his own party mind you, maybe quicker to criticize him, because of his race. Steele had to see this coming when he was selected, in the end, because of his race.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our man Steele has finally played the race card, alligning himself with the "devil" incarnate-- President Barack Hussein Obama.


Is it a sad day in American politics, or is Mr. Steele telling the truth when he states that "he and President Obama aren't afforded the same tolerance of missteps as whites are because of their race."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201004...s/ynews_ts1505

Who tolerated Bush's "missteps"? Who tolerated Gingrich's "missteps"? Whites get toleration for their missteps? Well only if you are a Democrat

[SOUNWORTHY]

If a white Republican operated the same way Obama does, he would get as much or even more flack. If Obama was a great president and had the country's best interest in mind I would be delighted. Besides that he isn't anymore black that he is white. It's not his color, it's his thinking that is the problem.

[Praxeas]

I think very few care about his race. Republicans didn't like Al Gore...nobody said it was race. They didn't like Edwards..was it racism? They didn't like Clinton...racism? No. It's politics.

[Jason B]

JD, give it up, your racial whining is beating me down.

First, Obama is more Arab than black.

Second, for the most part blacks are given the same oppertunity if not better than most. They have as a group choosen not to take advantage of these oppertunities, as some of their own have pointed out (i.e. Bill Cosby).

I don't have anything against blacks or anyone else. I think that while there are remnants of racists people in our society, it is basically a thing of the past. What really keeps our society from moving any further away from it is some folks constantly playing the race card.

Give it up. Were than injustices done. Absolutely. Was it wrong. Absolutely. Slavery is in my opinion the absolutely worst black eye in this country's history. It is a complete travesty that anyone was treated in such manner as some were, and so much worse that it was "legal".

When studying American history, one of my favorite topics are Abraham Lincoln's speeches against slavery. Lincoln I believe was the greatest president in American history. I love blacks, as much as whites or hispanics or asians. I have no problem with any of them here, that what makes America great, though I personally prefer 2 things out of all groups. 1)speak english 2)leave your gods/religion in your homeland (specifically Asians and Arabs). If someone speaks english, and doesn't complain about the name of Jesus, may they find a home here (and preferably a job).

The problem with Obama isn't that he's "black", its that he's dishonest, egotistical, wasteful, inexperienced, irreverant, etc. He has no business being president, as he's proving.