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Old 06-14-2010, 03:58 PM
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Re: The Stoning of Human Beings

And then there were those rebellious sons. You had to have the elders stone them to death. That'll teach 'em!
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Jesus wanted to show the woman mercy. God said he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. Notice tho he did not forbid the stoning just demanded it be done by those without sin.
I'm not very happy with such a capricious "god" as the one you seem to envision. He "wanted to show the woman mercy" yet He would have been happy to have her stoned right there and then if anyone "without sin" could have been found?

Why didn't Jesus just do her in? He was without sin.

Also, nowhere in the Law that this mob was citing does it state that the executioners had to be pure. In fact, conceivably, the ones throwing the stones could be the next ones in line to be stoned themselves.

Yet when God Himself shows up on the scene, the stoning stops. Coincidence? With your capricious "god" of whimsy perhaps; but if we are to ascribe real meaning and purpose to our world and to our very existence we need a more certain foundation.
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I walked away from this film, pondering if God was ever even responsible for one act of this kind of brutality. We take the Bible as a fact, promoting these past atrocities of savage cruelty, but I sincerely doubt that God ever wanted mankind to stone one another.
I assumed this was going to be the point of this thread. (sigh).
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Jesus wanted to show the woman mercy. God said he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. Notice tho he did not forbid the stoning just demanded it be done by those without sin.
Could you cast the first stone?

Could anyone cast the first stone?

Those on this Forum who defend stoning, I doubt any would do it. We "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" much of the Bible. In others words, we defend a certain ideal until it is ultimately in our lap. If stoning was inhumane yesterday, it’s inhumane today.

Watch the film. It will bring you about as close to a real stoning as you and I will ever see. Then come back on here and give us your honest opinion. Your “Shots from the hip” are missing the target.

When the father of the daughter to be stoned is handed the first stone, little did others know that he had molested her as a young girl.

Not to mention, the physical and mental abuse by a domineering husband who considered her inferior and weak. The entire village was under the spell of this twisted form of masculine power and control, and any form of intelligible research will prove this was the forte’ of these past cultures.
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It's a question that everyone asks at some point or another: "How can a loving God do something that seems so cruel?"

I'm curious though...If you doubt that God condoned stoning people in the OT, do you also doubt that God will condemn souls to Hell for eternity?
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Could you cast the first stone?

Could anyone cast the first stone?
I couldn't.
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I assumed this was going to be the point of this thread. (sigh).
Sorry, Bro, sometimes I can't help but to think with my heart. Sorry if I love people and find deep problems of cruelty in the Scripture that seems barbaric with carnal revulsion and false judgment.

Abuse, bloodshed, and genocide bother me, and when people say God is responsible for this, I become more broken with grief. Jesus himself appeared to bring a greater message of hope, wanting to save lives, not destroy them.

This World doesn't need any more hate or anger. Watch the film, and then tell me what you think. If God is attached to something like that, I will remain confused by our Christian message that God is Love.
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Could you cast the first stone?

Could anyone cast the first stone?

Those on this Forum who defend stoning, I doubt any would do it. We "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" much of the Bible. In others words, we defend a certain ideal until it is ultimately in our lap. If stoning was inhumane yesterday, it’s inhumane today.

Watch the film. It will bring you about as close to a real stoning as you and I will ever see. Then come back on here and give us your honest opinion. Your “Shots from the hip” are missing the target.

When the father of the daughter to be stoned is handed the first stone, little did others know that he had molested her as a young girl.

Not to mention, the physical and mental abuse by a domineering husband who considered her inferior and weak. The entire village was under the spell of this twisted form of masculine power and control, and any form of intelligible research will prove this was the forte’ of these past cultures.
This movie is NOT Gods word nor does it portay anything that happened in it. I have no interest in the movie. I will continue to read and believe the scriptures. You are obviously using the movie to further your agenda of destroying faith that they are given by God.
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I assumed this was going to be the point of this thread. (sigh).
To a certain extent, some level of at least tolerance for "cruelty" must be ascribed to any proposed Creator of this universe. Even if the Creator chose to give a pass to all of the adulterers out there, we still must confront the question of unjustifiable suffering that we see in our world.

The easy out is usually to blame all of this upon our erring ancestors in their all together; yet the questions concerning Deity remain. Why would the same God pummel a man to death for gathering kindling and then excuse two adulterers in John 8?

Why does this same God then infect an unborn infant with HIV for no crime at all, but allow Franklin Delano Raines to write himself a check for $20 million dollars from the public treasury before retiring quietly?
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Re: The Stoning of Human Beings

When it comes to questions about what God does or God does not do, and whether that means the Word of God is truly His Word or not, the issue that must always be kept in mind is that God's mind is so vastly larger than our own. Who is to say our minute minds can comprehend things that only God can comprehend? And since God is real, and He is God, it stands to reason that the true God is just and that means we must trust Him even if we cannot figure Him out. Anything else is close to or actually is blasphemous, in my mind.
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