How many times do you know of someone who was living in sin being discerned? There have been well known preachers, TV evangelists, pastors who were living a lie, living in sin, and no one suspected nor "discerned" them. They were continually around the leadership of their denominations and no one had a clue. Why?
Now if I've missed someone that's been discerned please fill me in.
Just.....
Been Thinkin
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How many times do you know of someone who was living in sin being discerned? There have been well known preachers, TV evangelists, pastors who were living a lie, living in sin, and no one suspected nor "discerned" them. They were continually around the leadership of their denominations and no one had a clue. Why?
Now if I've missed someone that's been discerned please fill me in.
Just.....
Been Thinkin
I was at a service once where a number of preachers were to be ordained. The preacher that evening (I can't remember the whole message) at one point had folks "Turn to their neighbor" ... and say, "I'm on your side." The theme was one of unity.
After the ordination, the ministers in the congregation were all asked to go through a receiving line of the men who had been ordained. Being shy and awkward myself and terrible at making small talk, I said to one of the men while shaking his hand - "I'm on your side." His face fell dramatically. He obviously didn't make the connection between what I had just said and the sermon that had been preached earlier. I had the distinct impression that he feared me and feared that I was on to something.
I was greatly troubled by this encounter but I never said anything to anyone. The guy's face looked just like a little boy who had been busted for some wrong doing. Within a few months his moral failure became publicly known. It seemed that I was the only one to have "discerned" anything before hand.
This guy had a family member in a position of leadership who suffered backbiting and such over this affair. "Why didn't he discern the sins?" people asked. His response was 1 Corinthians 13:5, "... Love thinketh no evil."
When we choose to work closely with people we go through various stages of letting down our guard and suspicions and simply embrace them as they are. This does make us vulnerable to deceptions and lies. That is why friendships are considered to be such "sacred" things. Friends see us without our armor and defenses up. This may also be the reason so many people in leadership fail to discern the sins of their close associates.
It doesn't mean that the gifts of the Spirit are absent. It would appear to mean that only certain gifts are present at times. "There are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all" (1 Corinthians 12:6).
I was at a service once where a number of preachers were to be ordained. The preacher that evening (I can't remember the whole message) at one point had folks "Turn to their neighbor" ... and say, "I'm on your side." The theme was one of unity.
After the ordination, the ministers in the congregation were all asked to go through a receiving line of the men who had been ordained. Being shy and awkward myself and terrible at making small talk, I said to one of the men while shaking his hand - "I'm on your side." His face fell dramatically. He obviously didn't make the connection between what I had just said and the sermon that had been preached earlier. I had the distinct impression that he feared me and feared that I was on to something.
I was greatly troubled by this encounter but I never said anything to anyone. The guy's face looked just like a little boy who had been busted for some wrong doing. Within a few months his moral failure became publicly known. It seemed that I was the only one to have "discerned" anything before hand.
This guy had a family member in a position of leadership who suffered backbiting and such over this affair. "Why didn't he discern the sins?" people asked. His response was 1 Corinthians 13:5, "... Love thinketh no evil."
When we choose to work closely with people we go through various stages of letting down our guard and suspicions and simply embrace them as they are. This does make us vulnerable to deceptions and lies. That is why friendships are considered to be such "sacred" things. Friends see us without our armor and defenses up. This may also be the reason so many people in leadership fail to discern the sins of their close associates.
It doesn't mean that the gifts of the Spirit are absent. It would appear to mean that only certain gifts are present at times. "There are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all" (1 Corinthians 12:6).
Walk up to anyone, and say in low tones, "I know what you did." You'll get a similar reaction, 3 out of 4 times, I betcha!
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I was at a service once where a number of preachers were to be ordained. The preacher that evening (I can't remember the whole message) at one point had folks "Turn to their neighbor" ... and say, "I'm on your side." The theme was one of unity.
After the ordination, the ministers in the congregation were all asked to go through a receiving line of the men who had been ordained. Being shy and awkward myself and terrible at making small talk, I said to one of the men while shaking his hand - "I'm on your side." His face fell dramatically. He obviously didn't make the connection between what I had just said and the sermon that had been preached earlier. I had the distinct impression that he feared me and feared that I was on to something.
I was greatly troubled by this encounter but I never said anything to anyone. The guy's face looked just like a little boy who had been busted for some wrong doing. Within a few months his moral failure became publicly known. It seemed that I was the only one to have "discerned" anything before hand.
This guy had a family member in a position of leadership who suffered backbiting and such over this affair. "Why didn't he discern the sins?" people asked. His response was 1 Corinthians 13:5, "... Love thinketh no evil."
When we choose to work closely with people we go through various stages of letting down our guard and suspicions and simply embrace them as they are. This does make us vulnerable to deceptions and lies. That is why friendships are considered to be such "sacred" things. Friends see us without our armor and defenses up. This may also be the reason so many people in leadership fail to discern the sins of their close associates.
It doesn't mean that the gifts of the Spirit are absent. It would appear to mean that only certain gifts are present at times. "There are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all" (1 Corinthians 12:6).
Good food for thought. Thank you. I'm not trying to establish a doctrine of discernment but just wondering when and where it really comes in in the work of God and why it seems to be absent from much of the work. Just Been Thinkin'!
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Good food for thought. Thank you. I'm not trying to establish a doctrine of discernment but just wondering when and where it really comes in in the work of God and why it seems to be absent from much of the work. Just Been Thinkin'!
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