How Does One Become Re-filled With The Holy Ghost? - Page 2

jfrog · #11 10-03-2010, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staysharp

So what you are saying is every time we believe or disbelieve or re-believe, we are born again again...stupid.

Assuming that a person can believe, then stop believing and then start believing again then that is exactly what I am saying. By the way, it's great that you are mocking, but that only tells me you haven't really thought these things through.

When Jesus told Nicodemus about being born again it was an analogy. You are so stuck on having to have the analogy make sense in every situation that you cannot see the truth for the analogy. The truth is that we know the fate of unbelievers and we know the fate of believers. Unbelievers don't go to heaven. Believers go to heaven. You are caught up on not understanding how people say a person can be "re-born again" but I don't understand how you can say that a hellbound unbeliever can have the Holy Spirit when scripture makes it plain that those who have the Spirit of Christ will go to heaven. So I would rather be accused of having a person be re-born again than be accused of having a hellbound unbeliever having the Holy Ghost.

Sweet Pea · #12 10-03-2010, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

I've asked that question to T.R. O'Daniel (now head of Great Lakes Bible College, MI), Dr. David Norris (Urshan School) and Talmage French (was head of WPF bible college program). Each has a Masters or Dr. in Ministry/Theology/Education.

Got 3 totally different qualified/softball answers.

Those are 3 of the best among us who didn't fully answer it for me when they taught together at IBC when I was there.

Welcome to Pentecostal Theology.

Try contacting Daniel Segraves. I think you will find his answer very interesting.

I don't want to quote him for fear of misquoting - but I don't think he will "softball" your answer.

Falla39 · #13 10-03-2010, 10:04 PM

Newborns must desire the sincere milk of the Word that they may grow thereby. No milk,
no growth. No milk, newborn will soon die spiritually.

Buy a car, fill it up with gasoline. If you don't refill that gas tank, you will eventually
come to a screeching halt. You will go no further.

Quit eating and drinking naturally and you will die naturally. Quit being re-newed in the
Holy Ghost and you will eventually die spiritually!

Is that too hard to understand.

Apocrypha · #14 10-03-2010, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Try contacting Daniel Segraves. I think you will find his answer very interesting.

I don't want to quote him for fear of misquoting - but I don't think he will "softball" your answer.

Give me the readers digest version.

Sweet Pea · #15 10-03-2010, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Give me the readers digest version.

I really am afraid to just jump in and say what I remember him teaching. There are too many on this forum that would possibly take what I said and twist it. Give me a bit of time to frame my thoughts. It may be a few days before I can get back to you, my schedule is rather hectic right now.

mizpeh · #16 10-04-2010, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staysharp

Is this biblical?

Yes,

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, (Peter had already been filled with the Holy Spirit in Acts 2)

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. (These folks had already been filled with the Spirit.)

Acts 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, (Paul had already been filled with the Spirit in Acts 9)

Acts 13:52 And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost. (you can't be a true disciple of Christ unless you have his Spirit in you)

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; (The Ephesians were saints which means they were part of the body of Christ. To be part of the body of Christ they would have been made to drink of his Spirit, 1 Cor 12:13. Paul is encouraging these saints who have already received the baptism of the Spirit to be refilled)

The Message: Don't drink too much wine. That cheapens your life. Drink the Spirit of God, huge draughts of him.

Quote:

Can one be filled and lose it?

Yes,

Ps 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

1 Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Quote:

Is not Christ the chief bishop of our souls?

Yes.

Quote:

Our we not in His Hands?

Yes, if we chose to remain in his hands. But if we sin willfully....see Hebrews chapter 10. We can lose our salvation. It might be more appropriate to say we can throw away our salvation instead of saying we can lose it. It's not like we misplaced our salvation like we would our car keys or cell phone. But some might neglect it, or cast it away, or become consumed with other things, or want not want to deny themselves from fullfilling the lusts of the flesh and the pleasures of sin, and thereby they make their faith shipwreck. In effect, they trade their salvation for a bowl of pottage. I have no idea what point and time a rebellious person loses their salvation. God is exceedingly merciful and longsuffering (as evidenced by his patience and continued wooing of the nation of Israel) but there comes a time where the "space of repentance" is done and judgement comes. At that time, I would think that God would take away his Spirit from that person.

Quote:

Is it really biblical to seek tongues and not the Holy Spirit?

Paul encouraged the Corinthian saints to desire Spiritual gifts...that would include the gift of tongues. But if you are talking about the initial infilling of the Spirit, then a person should seek to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, tongues with automatically follow.

drummerboy_dave · #17 10-04-2010, 07:18 AM

It's called restoration.

staysharp · #18 10-04-2010, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Yes,

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, (Peter had already been filled with the Holy Spirit in Acts 2)

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. (These folks had already been filled with the Spirit.)

Acts 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, (Paul had already been filled with the Spirit in Acts 9)

Acts 13:52 And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost. (you can't be a true disciple of Christ unless you have his Spirit in you)

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; (The Ephesians were saints which means they were part of the body of Christ. To be part of the body of Christ they would have been made to drink of his Spirit, 1 Cor 12:13. Paul is encouraging these saints who have already received the baptism of the Spirit to be refilled)

The Message: Don't drink too much wine. That cheapens your life. Drink the Spirit of God, huge draughts of him.

Yes,

Ps 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

1 Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Yes.

Yes, if we chose to remain in his hands. But if we sin willfully....see Hebrews chapter 10. We can lose our salvation. It might be more appropriate to say we can throw away our salvation instead of saying we can lose it. It's not like we misplaced our salvation like we would our car keys or cell phone. But some might neglect it, or cast it away, or become consumed with other things, or want not want to deny themselves from fullfilling the lusts of the flesh and the pleasures of sin, and thereby they make their faith shipwreck. In effect, they trade their salvation for a bowl of pottage. I have no idea what point and time a rebellious person loses their salvation. God is exceedingly merciful and longsuffering (as evidenced by his patience and continued wooing of the nation of Israel) but there comes a time where the "space of repentance" is done and judgement comes. At that time, I would think that God would take away his Spirit from that person.

Paul encouraged the Corinthian saints to desire Spiritual gifts...that would include the gift of tongues. But if you are talking about the initial infilling of the Spirit, then a person should seek to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, tongues with automatically follow.

Probably where we disconnect is you believe Tongues as the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit and the gift of Tongues are 2 separate things. I never could understand that thinking. Tongues are tongues.

The scripture is clear. Tongues is not the evidence of the Holy Spirit, but a sign that the Holy Spirit is working. The evidence is the fruit of the Spirit. - These signs shall follow them that believe. A sign points to what may be ahead, but is not the evidence of it. The reality is the fruit.

Secondly, your examples in Acts do nothing to bolster your claim one can be refilled. I do believe one can respeak in tongues after a long season without, but I don't believe tongues to be the evidence of the Holy Ghost, because that would be unbiblical.

Secondly, let's make this clear...using an old testament - pre-pentecost character as an example...

so what you are saying is David had the Holy Ghost living in him evidenced by speaking in tongues and Saul did too? I thought that only occurred at Pentecost...or are you saying one can have the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues?

Or was David referring to the visitation of the Holy Spirit and not the infilling...because the Holy Ghost had not yet been given...hmnnn

crakjak · #19 10-04-2010, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staysharp

Is this biblical? Can one be filled and lose it? Is not Christ the chief bishop of our souls? Our we not in His Hands? Is it really biblical to seek tongues and not the Holy Spirit?

It is relationship with Jesus, and in that relationship we are "continually filled with the Spirit". Just as in any relationship, lack of time together the relationship get "cold", if it is a true friend, come back together and it is as if you have not been apart. Jesus is just, such a friend!!! Some relate this to getting and losing salvation, it is not so, Jesus is a friend that never leaves or forsakes!!

coadie · #20 10-04-2010, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crakjak

It is relationship with Jesus, and in that relationship we are "continually filled with the Spirit". Just as in any relationship, lack of time together the relationship get "cold", if it is a true friend, come back together and it is as if you have not been apart. Jesus is just, such a friend!!! Some relate this to getting and losing salvation, it is not so, Jesus is a friend that never leaves or forsakes!!

1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul ...
Now, the LORD's Spirit had left Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

Psalms 51:11

11 - Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.