You've heard the saying, "Do as I say, not as I do." Well that certainly should not apply to a pastor. Paul said to follow me as I follow Christ. In other words do as I do. I believe a pastors primary way to lead is by example.
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Pastors are going to be held accountable for their teaching and preaching, their example, and their leadership.
Those who live a life of sin are going to answer for themselves, as all of us are.
That's the way I see it. Pastors will give account.... for their teaching, their leadership, etc.
The idea that your pastor will be standing beside you on Judgment Day so that he can tell God how you did..... I can't see that supported anywhere in scripture.
Pastors are going to be held accountable for their teaching and preaching, their example, and their leadership.
Those who live a life of sin are going to answer for themselves, as all of us are.
Well I am glad this came from someone I respect, but that is exactly the way I see it.
Thanks for responding.
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Pastors are going to be held accountable for their teaching and preaching, their example, and their leadership.
Those who live a life of sin are going to answer for themselves, as all of us are.
You nailed it, Coonskinner. Good answer.
On the other hand, I've heard many a pastor say (some in "not so many words") that they really believe that on judgement day, they will have to stand before God and give account for every soul of every person who ever sat under their ministry. As if God would punish them if Joe Schmoe didn't make it into the Kingdom.
Even those who didn't actually come right out and say that often made you feel like that was what they were inferring. Did any of the rest of you ever get that impression? Or was that just me?
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On the other hand, I've heard many a pastor say (some in "not so many words") that they really believe that on judgement day, they will have to stand before God and give account for every soul of every person who ever sat under their ministry. As if God would punish them if Joe Schmoe didn't make it into the Kingdom.
Even those who didn't actually come right out and say that often made you feel like that was what they were inferring. Did any of the rest of you ever get that impression? Or was that just me?
I have actually not heard that so much as growing up being serenaded with stories of those who didn't obey the man of god and met some sort of untimely demise as a result. They sounded more like the Grand Moff Tarkin, "Fear will keep the local congregation in line. Fear of this anointed position."
On the other hand, I've heard many a pastor say (some in "not so many words") that they really believe that on judgement day, they will have to stand before God and give account for every soul of every person who ever sat under their ministry. As if God would punish them if Joe Schmoe didn't make it into the Kingdom.
Even those who didn't actually come right out and say that often made you feel like that was what they were inferring. Did any of the rest of you ever get that impression? Or was that just me?
I didn't get the impression the pastor wouldn't make it in, I got the impression that I wouldn't if they told God I shouldn't.
I didn't get the impression the pastor wouldn't make it in, I got the impression that I wouldn't if they told God I shouldn't.
Well, obviously God has the final say on who enters into that foursquare city.
However, the Scripture indicates a connection between the accounting given by those who "have the rule over you" (Paul's words, not mine), and our own judgment.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
I am not exactly sure how this is going to play out, and I don't figure anybody else does either.
But it is very apparent from the Scripture that God does care about how we relate and respond to those set in spiritual authority in our lives, and that our eternal fate is impacted by that.
How exactly this all applies and what the parameters are, we can debate till the cows come home, but there is something there. That is unmistakable.
I think Elder Coonskinner did a great job explaining this.
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There they can find plenty of fault.
I didn't get the impression the pastor wouldn't make it in, I got the impression that I wouldn't if they told God I shouldn't.
That was what I thought for a long time too. I had the impression, though I'm not sure it was blatantly taught, that Mt 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell," was referring to pastors, and if my pastor thought badly of me, Jesus automatically would, too.
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
However, the Scripture indicates a connection between the accounting given by those who "have the rule over you" (Paul's words, not mine), and our own judgment.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
I am not exactly sure how this is going to play out, and I don't figure anybody else does either.
But it is very apparent from the Scripture that God does care about how we relate and respond to those set in spiritual authority in our lives, and that our eternal fate is impacted by that.
How exactly this all applies and what the parameters are, we can debate till the cows come home, but there is something there. That is unmistakable.
My personal thought is that it's not beneficial to us right now if those who "watch for our souls" are doing so with grief. Deliberately making my leaders miserable has no benefit for me, whereas cooperation and respect often bring great benefit.
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