C.H. Spurgeon: Baptist Preacher on the Holy Spirit - Page 2

Austin · #11 08-02-2011, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I don't think he was talking about the same baptism of the Holy Ghost that pentecostals believe in.

He was also a Calvinist yet uses language that says that if WE would do something the HOLY SPIRIT would do something. Conditional language can be used by a calvinist.

How do you know he was a calvinist?

deltaguitar · #12 08-02-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin

How do you know he was a calvinist?

One of his famous quotes was that he didn't preach Calvinism as a system but as the gospel.

I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else”

SOURCE: From The Autobiography of Charles H. Spurgeon, Curts and Jennings, Cincinnati - Chicago - St. Louis, 1898, Vol. I., Page 172.

Austin · #13 08-02-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

One of his famous quotes was that he didn't preach Calvinism as a system but as the gospel.

I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else”

SOURCE: From The Autobiography of Charles H. Spurgeon, Curts and Jennings, Cincinnati - Chicago - St. Louis, 1898, Vol. I., Page 172.

I see. So, is calvinism in your opinion something to the effect; God chose who he would save and chose who he would not save sometime in the past?

Godsdrummer · #14 08-03-2011, 06:44 AM

The holy ghost comes not by speaking with tongues, rather when one repents of their past life without Christ, beleiving with all their heart in the work of the cross. Then the holy ghost comes into our hearts, whether one yeilds to the deeper anointing of God's spirit becomes the question.

Sam · #15 08-03-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

The holy ghost comes not by speaking with tongues, rather when one repents of their past life without Christ, beleiving with all their heart in the work of the cross. Then the holy ghost comes into our hearts, whether one yeilds to the deeper anointing of God's spirit becomes the question.

yeppers, when we ask Jesus to come in, He comes in as the Holy Spirit.
At least that's the way I understand Ephesians 1:13 which says:
"And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago."

Paul speaks to those folks who had been sealed with the Spirit (Ephesians 1:13) and had been quickened or made alive or given God's life by the Spirit (Ephesians 2:1) later in his epistle and encouraged them to be filled with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18).

onefaith2 · #16 08-03-2011, 02:17 PM

Considering the popularity of Methodism in England and then the U.S., I'd say its possible that Spurgeon knew of the Holy Ghost "speaking with the Spirit." Whether or not he spoke of it here is another matter. I believe its certainly possible that he experienced the baptism.

deltaguitar · #17 08-03-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin

I see. So, is calvinism in your opinion something to the effect; God chose who he would save and chose who he would not save sometime in the past?

Oversimplified but yes. What you posted is not calvinism but the doctrine of election and predestination.

I believe that there is an elect chosen before the foundation of the world who were bought and paid for by the blood of Christ and given by the Father. All that were given by the Father WILL come to Christ by the power of holy spirit and persevere to the end and will be given a glorified body.

deltaguitar · #18 08-03-2011, 02:21 PM

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Considering the popularity of Methodism in England and then the U.S., I'd say its possible that Spurgeon knew of the Holy Ghost "speaking with the Spirit." Whether or not he spoke of it here is another matter. I believe its certainly possible that he experienced the baptism.

Doubt it. His beer drinking and smoking would probably keep most Methodist away.

I have no doubt that he had the baptism of the holy ghost but maybe just a little different experience than yours though.

onefaith2 · #19 08-03-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Doubt it. His beer drinking and smoking would probably keep most Methodist away.

I have no doubt that he had the baptism of the holy ghost but maybe just a little different experience than yours though.

Methodist drink.. didn't you know that? Some smoke to.

Does the HOly Ghost smoke? Would Jesus have smoked? We can give our opinions. Did Jesus drink? Yes. Did Jesus get drunk. No.

onefaith2 · #20 08-03-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Oversimplified but yes. What you posted is not calvinism but the doctrine of election and predestination.

I believe that there is an elect chosen before the foundation of the world who were bought and paid for by the blood of Christ and given by the Father. All that were given by the Father WILL come to Christ by the power of holy spirit and persevere to the end and will be given a glorified body.

What you describe can also be known as foreknowledge in Arminianism.