How To Love God - Page 2

jfrog · #11 10-09-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Sure John told believers if they sin....we have an advocate with the Father even Jesus Christ.

Now how did that same John describe what it means to love God? Perhaps if people knew GODS DEFINITION of what it means to love him they would take "loving" him more seriously?

Maybe many of the children of light have not heard the truth?

Don't esteem your own faulty definition of what it means to love God as being equivalent with God's definition. God's whole definition leaves place for those that love him yet fall. Yours turns them into God haters.

Dedicated Mind · #12 10-09-2011, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

How do you feel about what John said about what it means to love God? How would light shine brighter apart from keeping the Lords commands?

i'm reminded of the verse that says how can we love god whom we haven't seen if we don't love our brother who we do see. i think there are many people who do works of compassion among agnostics, buddhists, muslim etc. i think they are fulfilling god's command more than some christians. so while i agree with john that we should obey, i don't think we are exceptional people, it is our reasonable service. benny hinn and pat robertson have built hospitals and fed millions between them. love covers a multitude of sin. i don't have a narrow view on obeying god.

Michael The Disciple · #13 10-09-2011, 01:52 AM

A move of God is simply God moving in ones life. Making himself known. Jesus was very emphatic about two things.

14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21

They that love him will keep his commandments.

They that love him according to HIS definition of love will be loved by him AND he will manifest himself to them.

That is a move of God!

Jesus making himself real! Isnt that the desire of a Christian? To have PERSONAL FELLOWSHIP with the risen Christ?

Michael The Disciple · #14 10-09-2011, 02:09 AM

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Dedicated Mind

i don't have a narrow view on obeying god.

Neither do I. We are to learn all his commands and keep them.

28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matt. 28:19-20

This is discipleship to Jesus. It is also how he judges our love toward him.

2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 1 John 2:5

God wants to be loved in this manner. He rejoices in it amen?

freeatlast · #15 10-09-2011, 06:26 AM

MTD Jesus has two commandments. 1. Love God 2. Love others

It seems to me you may be leaning more towards the 613 laws of the Torah

Or more towards the 16,245 commandments of Pentecostal pastors.

I feel pretty good about most of us following the commandments that Jesus gave.

TGBTG · #16 10-09-2011, 06:37 AM

MTD, maybe you should start us off by what you understand loving God to mean?

then this discussion can make some headway...

Michael The Disciple · #17 10-09-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

MTD, maybe you should start us off by what you understand loving God to mean?

then this discussion can make some headway...

Well how about what the Apostle John says it means to love God? After all he is one who leaned on Jesus breast right? It is specifically said that he was the disciple Jesus loved.

21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? John 21:20

Do you think any of us know what it is to love God more than he knew?

How about what he said here? This is what he heard Jesus say to all the Apostles.

15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Here Jesus says if we keep his commands we will abide in his love.

What is the love he speaks of? Is it the love of being a friend?

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. John 15:14

Jesus said if we do whatever he commands we will be his friend.

Michael The Disciple · #18 10-09-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

MTD Jesus has two commandments. 1. Love God 2. Love others

It seems to me you may be leaning more towards the 613 laws of the Torah

Or more towards the 16,245 commandments of Pentecostal pastors.

I feel pretty good about most of us following the commandments that Jesus gave.

How do we know that we are loving others according to the Lord Jesus?

Again the Apostle John tells us.

5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John 5:2

God counts it as we love the brethren if we keep his commandments. So apparently there are more than two commandments. Amen?

Jesus SUMS UP all his commandments by giving us the two he said that all the law and prophets are hanging on.

His commands are things that we do toward God and things we do toward men.

Im glad you feel good about keeping Jesus commands. We should! If we are doing so he says we are friends with him. I wonder why MANY CHRISTIANS seem to become upset when we mention that this is how Jesus described what it means to love him?

Michael The Disciple · #19 10-09-2011, 10:03 AM

Jesus gives us 3 chapters worth of commands/instructions in Matthew 5-7. There are not 613 of them there. Yet there are enough to where it would take some time to assimilate them. They are things that are pleasing to Jesus. He teaches his ways so we will know how to act or be. Things that if we do them he will desire to be our friend. Things that if we do we will want to be with us.

He finishes these instructions by giving this analogy:

7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Matt. 7:24-27

Those who keep Jesus commands he says are wise! Those who keep them not are foolish.

TGBTG · #20 10-09-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jesus gives us 3 chapters worth of commands/instructions in Matthew 5-7. There are not 613 of them there. Yet there are enough to where it would take some time to assimilate them. They are things that are pleasing to Jesus. He teaches his ways so we will know how to act or be. Things that if we do them he will desire to be our friend. Things that if we do we will want to be with us.

He finishes these instructions by giving this analogy:

7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Matt. 7:24-27

Those who keep Jesus commands he says are wise! Those who keep them not are foolish.

So what you're saying is that we should keep the beatitudes? what other commands are there?