HMH again

[TJJJ]

Lay your hair over your television set........

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The Holy Magic Hair topic is already out there, but recently on the CBC Facebook site a fellow alum (and someone I knew as a chid) posted her gratitude for Lee Stoneking and would to God that there would be more men "like" him raised up.

I had to respond. A minute ago I was going to cut and paste what I wrote but the thread was removed. Should I have given my opinion?

If she esteems him that much already that she would pray for men to be raised up like him then I doubt commenting about him and HMH on facebook was wise. #1 she hadn't mentioned HMH and soo it would appear more like you're just using that to down the man. #2 Any of his followers are going to see the 1% of truth that can be found in HMH and nothing else. In any questionable circumstance they will always then give him the benefit of a doubt.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by jfrog

If she esteems him that much already that she would pray for men to be raised up like him then I doubt commenting about him and HMH on facebook was wise. #1 she hadn't mentioned HMH and soo it would appear more like you're just using that to down the man. #2 Any of his followers are going to see the 1% of truth that can be found in HMH and nothing else. In any questionable circumstance they will always then give him the benefit of a doubt.

Jfrog,

I started this thread to find out how others on AFF would have responded.

This sister and I have communicated more than once about the org...a couple of years ago she needed grace and asked my advice for direction.

We both attended CBC, both were baptized by the same pastor, in fact we have known each other since we were in the second grade. I was quite surprised to see her post what she did.

My response was that until the leadership of the organization refutes his doctrine of Holy Magic Hair then they are as guilty of occultism as he is. I ended my comment by saying that our spiritual authority comes from the Lord Jesus, and NOT from a woman's uncut hair (otherwise it is occultic).
I wasn't attacking the man. I attacked the false teaching. I thought it was tastefully done, not too obnoxious.

How else will people "locked on" to this foolishness even think twice about it if it's not brought up? It is insulting to me as a disciple (or at least one trying to be) of Jesus Christ to listen to some of the testimonies and sermons on Youtube about the magical holy power/authority in a woman's "uncut" hair.
The power isn't appropriated by human effort, sorry.

Not trying to get in your face, Jfrog, just expressing my opinion. What would you have done?

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Lay your hair over your television set........

Some apostolic women don't have enough hair to do that!

[aegsm76]

I do follow the uncut hair doctrine.
I do not follow the HMH doctrine.

[bbyrd009]

Wow, magic hair, seriously. I thought it was a euphemism for something. I wonder did the, um, "magic" part ever figure into this, um...mass...debate (you ever notice that the things that really matter aren't really debatable?).
Anyway, I really don't have a thing to say about this, as I am scared to Google it, except thank you again, God.

[MawMaw]

Has the minister spoken of, actually called a woman's long hair,
"holy magic hair?"

[Scott Hutchinson]

My wife has a personal conviction about her hair,but she thinks HMH is crazy.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Lacey

Has the minister spoken of, actually called a woman's long hair,
"holy magic hair?"

I do not believe either LS or RR ever called it that, but the way they describe it is identical to it being a mystical magical oracle whos very locks are capable of entrapping angels and forcing them to do your bidding, sort of like Parker Brothers description of their Ouija board.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I do follow the uncut hair doctrine.
I do not follow the HMH doctrine.

I respect your convictions, on this, aegsm76.

I had a conversation with one of my kids yesterday about related topic in the same chapter, that of a head covering for women. The principle regarding hair, head coverings, etc is regarding authority in the spiritual realm.

1Co..11:3-10
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

With her head covered- ok, what, exactly does this mean? Does this mean long hair? Uncut hair? Does this mean a scarf or a hoodie? A visit to diverse cultural churches lets you know there is no unaminous opinion about it. So what does it mean? The answer is, we don't know for certain.

not covered, let her also be shorn - Just looking at the text it can be interpreted here that it was NOT a shame for a woman to be shorn. , but there aren't many apostolics that would admit it. So what is the right answer? There is the position that the pagan prostitutes in Corinth shaved their hair. Is Paul sarcastically strengthening his argument for long hair? Do we know what he really meant? The answer again is, we don't know for certain.

For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels - And why, "because of the angels"? What does this mean? This is where LS goes awry. Long hair in his view contains mystical powers. There's enough on Youtube and written about it; take my word for it.
But what does the phrase, "because of the angels" mean? The answer is, NOBODY really knows for certain.

I respect someone with a personal conviction to not cut their hair so long as it remains their conviction. It is their right and their liberty in Christ to cut or not to cut their hair.

To use this one passage of scripture, a letter written by Paul (without chapter and verses in it) to the Corinthian church (a church he started and probably visited more than once) is like pulling a sentence from a letter I would write to some Christians I know in Raleigh, Colorado, or Texas. You couldn't possibly understand the context unless you had been there.

This could be another thread, but imo there's a problem taking passages of scripture that could very well be completely cultural and lifting them from that world if you will, and applying it to 20th/21st Century culture.