God can do anything, right?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

God isn't "helping us" to stop sinning. "Us" is the problem. God DOESN'T want to make YOU a better you. YOU must be CRUCIFIED. Your identity eradicated through faith, reckoning your new identity as being "IN CHRIST". Any improvement to "self" is "self-righteousness".

The questions you present are answered on the basis of soteriological understanding. It all depends on how one views justification, regeneration, and sanctification.

And here's another issue... people are so behavior oriented (works mentality) that they fail to grasp "nature". You see... even IF we disciplined ourselves to "behave" rightly and didn't "commit sin"... our very nature (with regards to our flesh) is still "sinful" and repugnant to God.

Still spewing reformed doctrine I see. smh

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Still spewing reformed doctrine I see. smh

Biblical doctrine.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Biblical doctrine.

Heresy and a absolute corruption of scripture.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Heresy and a absolute corruption of scripture.

It's the only systematic approach to Scripture that properly defines the entire process of salvation in a way that can be readily experienced by the believer:

1. Election (God's choice of people to be saved)

2. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the law for the Elect)

3. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against the sins of the Elect - past, present, future)

4. The Gospel call (drawing through the message of the gospel... inner/outer calling)

5. Conversion (faith, repentance, water baptism)

6. Justification (right legal standing)

7. Regeneration (being born again)

8. Adoption (membership in God's family)

9. Sanctification (being conformed into the image and likeness of Jesus)

10. Perseverance (remaining a Christian)

11. Death (going to be with the Lord)

12. Glorification (receiving a resurrection body in sinless perfection)

Let's face it... most can't biblically exegete these spiritual realities for the believer. That's why we have rampant CONFUSION about salvation in the Apostolic movement.

Pleases note:

Nothing in this list is advocating Calvinist Election. Nor is anything advocating Eternal Security.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's the only systematic approach to Scripture that properly defines the entire process of salvation in a way that can be readily experienced by the believer:

Really? ONLY systematic? That is such a idiotic statement. For all the study you allegedly do you say that? Defining possible Christian theology into categories is only done in Reformed doctrine and able to be understood by the believer? hahahahaha

1. Election (God's choice of people to be saved)

2. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the law for the Elect)

3. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against the sins of the Elect - past, present, future)

4. The Gospel call (drawing through the message of the gospel... inner/outer calling)

5. Conversion (faith, repentance, water baptism)

6. Justification (right legal standing)

7. Regeneration (being born again)

8. Adoption (membership in God's family)

9. Sanctification (being conformed into the image and likeness of Jesus)

10. Perseverance (remaining a Christian)

11. Death (going to be with the Lord)

12. Glorification (receiving a resurrection body in sinless perfection)

Let's face it... most can't biblically exegete these spiritual realities for the believer. That's why we have rampant CONFUSION about salvation in the Apostolic movement.

Because you appeal to ignorant people doesn't support your point at all. Confusion is relative to who is calling it confusion. I can say confusion very easily of horrible reformed doctrine.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

God isn't "helping us" to stop sinning. "Us" is the problem. God DOESN'T want to make YOU a better you. YOU must be CRUCIFIED. Your identity eradicated through faith, reckoning your new identity as being "IN CHRIST". Any improvement to "self" is "self-righteousness".

The questions you present are answered on the basis of soteriological understanding. It all depends on how one views justification, regeneration, and sanctification.

And here's another issue... people are so behavior oriented (works mentality) that they fail to grasp "nature". You see... even IF we disciplined ourselves to "behave" rightly and didn't "commit sin"... our very nature (with regards to our flesh) is still "sinful" and repugnant to God.

Yup, you got it Pontiac! The Apostle Paul stated he was the chiefest of sinners & he was one together dude.
God does not like our flesh & that is the reason our flesh ain't going to heaven!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Really? ONLY systematic? That is such a idiotic statement. For all the study you allegedly do you say that? Defining possible Christian theology into categories is only done in Reformed doctrine and able to be understood by the believer? hahahahaha





Because you appeal to ignorant people doesn't support your point at all. Confusion is relative to who is calling it confusion. I can say confusion very easily of horrible reformed doctrine.

Drop the rancor. Present your definition of the terms, how they inter-relate, and support one another towards the ultimate glorification of the believer.

And Luke... if you review my ordo closely... you'll notice that it isn't Calvinistic... it's decidedly Armenian. Why? The order of points 4 through 7. A Reformed Calvinist would place point 7 before point 4, or at the ver least, point 6 (which they'd also put before point 5! lol).

[Aquila]

The propensity to sin will reside in us until we are "changed", in the "twinkling of an eye", when this mortality puts on immortality. It's part of this body's nature. It's hormones, etc. crave sin. The carnal mind has been shaped by the body's (the flesh's) desire for comfort, ease, and pleasure... thus it thinks in patterns that cater to the flesh. It must be renewed through the Word of God.

Can one live above sin? Yes. However, it isn't about living a life that fulfills the law. It's about living a life that exemplifies the very image and likeness of Jesus. And IF any man sins... he has an advocate with the Father... the man Christ Jesus.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Ron

Yup, you got it Pontiac! The Apostle Paul stated he was the chiefest of sinners & he was one together dude.
God does not like our flesh & that is the reason our flesh ain't going to heaven!

Paul was not talking about his life as a christian. sheesh If he doesn't like our free will... well he made it and gave it to us. I guess he creates junk and we are not created right as the scripture says.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Drop the rancor. Present your definition of the terms, how they inter-relate, and support one another towards the ultimate glorification of the believer.

categories in of themseleves don't prove a systematic theology. You bringing of topical points does nothing. Justification is a classic example of failure in Reformed doctrine.