Hell is real & it is eternal! Hebrews 6:6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
It is a foundational truth!
You have interpreted "eternal judgment" as the traditional literal fire of hell. The literal rendering of these words is "judgment eonian", or an age of judgment, which I agree with. scripture4all.org/onlineinterliner/Greek_index.htm
Unbelievers will endure an age of judgment. ED has been so ingrained into Christianity, that there is no objectivity to the very idea that God, intends to literally burn, torture and torment most of his creation endlessly!!! To believe such a thing is insanity.
The soul that sins shall die, that is why Jesus died, that was the penality for sin, Jesus the sinless sacrifice undid Adam's transgression, God has reconcile all to Himself thru the blood of Christ. You are not saved because you believed, you believed because God had already dealt with your sins, by sending His son to reconcile the world to himself. While you were a sinner, Christ died for you, He is what the scriptures says the Savior of the whole world. (1 Tim. 4:10)
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I don't know.
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Is there some reason God had to set things up the way he (according to you guys) did? Could he have done anything differently? Do you sometimes wish he had?
There's no reason that God HAD to do it the way He did unless He Himself established principles that must be followed through, as He will not violate His own rules.
Think about when man sinned against Him though. Man made the same decision the angels had made. To disobey and rebel. With the angels He chose to cast them away. No road to redemption.
But God decided His love for us would supercede His Judgement. And all through the Old Testament we see God pursuing man, so that He might redeem man back to Himself... and then in the NT He takes on flesh so that once and for all He will provide Himself as the lamb for the world.
He didn't have to do any of that. Could have said, man failed, I'll go create something else. But somehow, he looked at what dirt and His breath had created, and thought it worthy for a second chance.
There's no reason that God HAD to do it the way He did unless He Himself established principles that must be followed through, as He will not violate His own rules.
Think about when man sinned against Him though. Man made the same decision the angels had made. To disobey and rebel. With the angels He chose to cast them away. No road to redemption.
But God decided His love for us would supercede His Judgement. And all through the Old Testament we see God pursuing man, so that He might redeem man back to Himself... and then in the NT He takes on flesh so that once and for all He will provide Himself as the lamb for the world.
He didn't have to do any of that. Could have said, man failed, I'll go create something else. But somehow, he looked at what dirt and His breath had created, and thought it worthy for a second chance.
Do you think it's fair, how it's set up? The penalty for having any sin is death and torment? Do we deserve to be punished for something isn't our fault -- that it is impossible to be perfect? And the way to avoid our punishment is subject to debate, and we have to guess which way is right?
Could it have been set up to be more fair?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Do you think it's fair, how it's set up? The penalty for having any sin is death and torment? Do we deserve to be punished for something isn't our fault -- that it is impossible to be perfect? And the way to avoid our punishment is subject to debate, and we have to guess which way is right?
Could it have been set up to be more fair?
Where is it written that you are entitled for anything to be fair? Or do you mean just?
If I were looking for it to have been fair or even just, God would have killed Adam and Eve after the first mistake, and none of us would have even had the chance to exist. I'm thankful that since the Garden God has shown limitless mercy toward mankind in His pursuit to restore all things... as only He could.
Sin is part of the human experience brother. It was introduced in the actions of Adam and Eve. And the Scriptures tell us that life is in the blood. When mankind procreates, the mother and the father blood types determine the blood type of the child. They pass on that sin curse through the blood. We are guilty through the blood.... and in the end, justified through the blood.
I by no means want it to be fair, don't have a right to it being fair, and am not concerned about if it is fair. There is a level of knowledge and wisdom that God has of to the why's of how this whole thing is set up, that is absolutely the best for man.... there could be no other way that would be better, or God would have provided it for us. I rest in knowing that He's God, and He worked it out the best way for us.
Where is it written that you are entitled for anything to be fair?
Didn't say it was. Was asking what you thought. Is it fair? Seem like you don't think it is, and that it doesn't need to be fair.
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Or do you mean just?
Whether it is just is another question, though not very different. So, sure, let's talk about justice. Is it just to convict us all of being imperfect, when we can't not be imperfect? And sentence us to death and torment for that guilty verdict?
Note: I am talking only, for this question, about our sin and the verdict, without addressing the "good news" about how to avoid the punishment. Simple asking: is the punishment just? After all, there will be many billions who will receive it. (So they say.)
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If I were looking for it to have been fair or even just, God would have killed Adam and Eve after the first mistake, and none of us would have even had the chance to exist.
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I'm thankful that since the Garden God has shown limitless mercy toward mankind in His pursuit to restore all things... as only He could.
Sin is part of the human experience brother. It was introduced in the actions of Adam and Eve. And the Scriptures tell us that life is in the blood. When mankind procreates, the mother and the father blood types determine the blood type of the child. They pass on that sin curse through the blood. We are guilty through the blood.... and in the end, justified through the blood.
I by no means want it to be fair, don't have a right to it being fair, and am not concerned about if it is fair. There is a level of knowledge and wisdom that God has of to the why's of how this whole thing is set up, that is absolutely the best for man.... there could be no other way that would be better, or God would have provided it for us. I rest in knowing that He's God, and He worked it out the best way for us.
Thanks for posting your thoughts.
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