What Ever Happened to Respect?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What should be done to a leader of one of the greatest nations that has ever graced the free world should he commit egregious adultery and even conspire to commit murder???

In this question about David and the nation of Israel...it wasn't a Democracy. While David was confronted by Nathan and repented, there were no laws or other choices for the Israelite people.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

I respect the office of the President, which is why I have and will continue to point out the issues with "that idiot in the White House." (Your words, not mine.) In my posts, I attack the policies and public figure; I try to refrain from attacking the person. I've said he's arrogant, ignorant and incredibly incompetent -- based on his actions and policies as President. And I do respect Obama on this: he's done well to promote the role of fathers in the home through his fatherhood initiative.

It's interesting that conservative Christians are being singled out here. I don't see anything about the liberals needing to show respect to Bush, Romney, Republicans or conservatives. No mention of the constant bashing of conservatives by msnbc watchers.

Do you consider yourself conservative, liberal or independent? Did you vote for the President? The reason I ask is because the one's who typically say conservative Christians need to respect Obama are either one's who voted for Obama, or who aren't themselves conservatives.

Politically I consider myself to be moderate, religiously I consider myself to liberal. But I have voted for both Republicans and Democratic presidential candidates.

And I will tell, as I am married to a man who is very much bleeding-heart liberal, that I DO get just as frustrated when it's done by the left, or by him, say on a facebook post, say quite frequently, LOL

I meant it when I said that this crossed party lines (both political and religious). I referred to Conservative Christians with the assumption that because they hold to Biblical Guidelines, they would clearly see this. Which is why I am confused that many don't.

For example, your post above, it honestly doesn't sound very respectful, and I don't really see Jesus' love in it. I think that you could express your opinions against his policies in a more respectful manner.

For example...would you use the same words against a poster here at AFF? To your friend? Brother? Parent?

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

In this question about David and the nation of Israel...it wasn't a Democracy. While David was confronted by Nathan and repented, there were no laws or other choices for the Israelite people.

My knowledge of the Bible is admittedly a bit rusty these days, but didn't David continue to show respect King Saul, even though he knew that God had anointed him to be the new King?

And what about all those foreign rulers when Israel was in exile? I seem to recall that short of being commanded to do something that violated the law, they respected and obeyed the rulers of the land.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

In this question about David and the nation of Israel...it wasn't a Democracy. While David was confronted by Nathan and repented, there were no laws or other choices for the Israelite people.

Ah... but there are always choices with regards to God. Did God remove David from power and raise up another more righteous? (He could have.) No. God humbled him publically, allowed a temporal judgment to befall David, and then restored David to righteous relationship and service.

The sad truth is... men fall. Nobody is perfect. Abusing a child or doing something highly illegal that leads to the unlawful destruction of life or liberty are good reasons to impeach on criminal charges. However, with Clinton it was a trick question with relation to an affair. Dirty tactic to take when a man is under oath and the question really doesn't pertain to the issue at hand. Are we the kind of Christian community that seeks to heal and restore our fallen leaders? Or are we the kind of Christian community that gets caught up in the political rancor and chooses to seek and destroy our fallen leader(s)?

Here's an interesting article. We had a President who had an Apostolic Pastor serving him as a dear friend. Is it any wonder that Hell set out to destroy this President???

Here's an old news article I remember reading...

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/12/us...o-reflect.html

If I remember correctly, the song that was sang for the President in private after it all got blown wide open was, "I Am Redeemed".

We heal our wounded. And we carry our dead. A President should be no exception. We seek to heal and restore... not destroy. That's Satan's work and he needs no help from us.

Sadly... we had a President who had been filled with the Holy Ghost and was deep life long friends with an Apostolic pastor and we reviled him. And we rallied to elect another President who had no affiliation with the Apostolic movement who was under the direct influence of the NWO. Hmmmm... What gives?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

Politically I consider myself to be moderate, religiously I consider myself to liberal. But I have voted for both Republicans and Democratic presidential candidates.

And I will tell, as I am married to a man who is very much bleeding-heart liberal, that I DO get just as frustrated when it's done by the left, or by him, say on a facebook post, say quite frequently, LOL

I meant it when I said that this crossed party lines (both political and religious). I referred to Conservative Christians with the assumption that because they hold to Biblical Guidelines, they would clearly see this. Which is why I am confused that many don't.

For example, your post above, it honestly doesn't sound very respectful, and I don't really see Jesus' love in it. I think that you could express your opinions against his policies in a more respectful manner.

For example...would you use the same words against a poster here at AFF? To your friend? Brother? Parent?

I like how you skirted around the question of whether you voted for the President. "I've voted for both Republicans and Democratic presidential candidates."

I have an issue with posts like this, which are typically skewed against conservative Christians (not liberal ones), and typically posted by someone who voted for the current President. And generally the one's wishing for civility and respect for the current President were the same one's engaging in less than civil discourse against George W. Bush, other Republicans or conservatives in general.

How was my previous post disrespectful, or was it just one you didn't like because I didn't vote and don't support the President? Was it because I used the words "Ignorant," "Arrogant," or "Incompetent?" Directed towards the man, yes it's disrespectful; however, I use them towards his conduct in office. To me there is a difference between the office and the man.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Sock it to me.

Aretha has left the building...

[Aquila]

What was a worse lie?

Lying about an affair with an intern?

Or lying about "yellow cake" to justify a war that would end in the deaths of untold tens of thousands (or more)?

Hmmm...

I think I can forgive the affair more easily.

[Titus2woman]

OK... it's a political thread.. I'm pretty much a-political... I don't just love Mr. Obama but I also did not just love Mr. Bush... I think the last pres I thought was just all that and a bag of chips was J. Carter and most people thought he was an idiot and that by extension, so was I.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What was a worse lie?

Lying about an affair with an intern?

Or lying about "yellow cake" to justify a war that would end in the deaths of untold tens of thousands (or more)?

Hmmm...

I think I can forgive the affair more easily.

Or sealing the records... yes.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

I like how you skirted around the question of whether you voted for the President. "I've voted for both Republicans and Democratic presidential candidates."

I have an issue with posts like this, which are typically skewed against conservative Christians (not liberal ones), and typically posted by someone who voted for the current President. And generally the one's wishing for civility and respect for the current President were the same one's engaging in less than civil discourse against George W. Bush, other Republicans or conservatives in general.

How was my previous post disrespectful, or was it just one you didn't like because I didn't vote and don't support the President? Was it because I used the words "Ignorant," "Arrogant," or "Incompetent?" Directed towards the man, yes it's disrespectful; however, I use them towards his conduct in office. To me there is a difference between the office and the man.

I didn't mean to skirt. I voted for Clinton Twice, Voted for Bush the first time, didn't get a chance to vote the 2nd election, but would have voted for Bush a 2nd time and voted for Obama twice. With that said, I am not madly in love with the guy. And I actually stand up for Bush whenever my husband gets going, because I don't think he was the presidential version of the anti-christ.

And I am not in anyway against political conservatives. For many many years I considered myself a libertarian, but I have become more moderate in the last 5 or 6 years.

Mostly, I find that political parties don't fit me, in the same way that religious denominations don't. Because I'm like my name, I can't be pigeon-holed, and I deny logic, LOL

Honestly, this was not intended to be an attack on political conservatives. It was more a rallying cry to other Christians, that we not let our political ideological differences cause us to act less than Christ-like.