The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

And this is that spirit of antichrist...

Trinitarianism is definitely antichrist.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

When you understand the meaning of this:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

It gets easy.

The Christ Isaiah prophesied about would be BOTH the Father and the Son. If Jesus were not the Eternal Father he would have been a false Christ.

Christendom today by denying Jesus is the Father win this title of "antichrist" according to John.

Matter of fact "Oneness Pentecostals" or "Jesus Only" groups seem to be the only ones that get it right.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration. In other words, the water saves. This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again this is a loaded statement as not every OP makes such a claim. BTW this fellow probably believes JWs and Oneness and Muslims and Mormons and who knows who else are all lost and will burn in hell eternally too.

Praxeas,
Being raised Oneness and attending various Oneness Churches throughout my adult life, I can honestly tell you that this is what the VAST MAJORITY of Oneness Pentecostal Preachers, Teachers and Pastors declare is the truth.

Don't try to paint Oneness Pentecostals as a group of doctrinally welcoming people. They aren't.

Give me the name of one Apostolic Pentecostal Pastor today in the UPCI, PAW or any other Oneness organization who will preach that one can be baptized in the titles "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" and still be "in the truth", "saved", or whatever word or phrase that implies a sense of equal ground in faith and salvation as the rest of the Oneness microcasm.

[Jermyn Davidson]

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

Are you still at Apopka?

[Jermyn Davidson]

There were people that wanted to divide based on baptism in the Apostle Paul's day. He called them carnal.

There were people that were offended and many things that other Christian believers allowed. The Apostle Paul called them weak.

The difference between the Apostle Paul's theology and Oneness Pentecostal theology is that Paul was at least willing to refer to the carnal and weak as brothers in Christ.

While Oneness Pentecostal theology makes it just about impossible for anyone else to be saved and be known and respected as a brother unless they believe and do exactly as the Oneness Pentecostals believe and do.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Are you still at Apopka?

No.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Trinitarianism is definitely antichrist.

Trinitarians do not deny Jesus is the Christ.

"The Christ" means what? The ANOINTED ONE.

In order for there to be an ANOINTED ONE, there has to be ONE who ANOINTS.

Jesus came from the Father and dwelled with the Father before His earthly birth.

This biblical fact is most problematic for Oneness theology, but it is true.

"The same was in the begining with the Father."


The thing is though, is that after all the discussing, most Trinitarians I have met over the years are willing to extend the hand of fellowship in love to other Oneness believers. Oneness believers usually reject the offer of fellowship because, "how can two walk together except they agree" and all the other scriptures they can think of to make sure that they remain set apart from everyone else.

After all, Oneness Pentecostals are saved, really saved. They have the truth. They are God's Gentile-Jews and everyone else is deceived, lost, and on their way to hell.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

What theology is erroneous? If all of Christendom refuses to believe in the doctrine of Christ he certainly has the right to reject them. What dream led to chaos and confusion? If you mean that JESUS is the NAME meant in Matt. 28:19 then you must be the one confused.

Rather it turned contradiction into revelation and chaos into order.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

Interesting. Who was the "guy"? J/W

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Trinitarians do not deny Jesus is the Christ.

"The Christ" means what? The ANOINTED ONE.

In order for there to be an ANOINTED ONE, there has to be ONE who ANOINTS.

Jesus came from the Father and dwelled with the Father before His earthly birth.

This biblical fact is most problematic for Oneness theology, but it is true.

"The same was in the begining with the Father."


The thing is though, is that after all the discussing, most Trinitarians I have met over the years are willing to extend the hand of fellowship in love to other Oneness believers. Oneness believers usually reject the offer of fellowship because, "how can two walk together except they agree" and all the other scriptures they can think of to make sure that they remain set apart from everyone else.

After all, Oneness Pentecostals are saved, really saved. They have the truth. They are God's Gentile-Jews and everyone else is deceived, lost, and on their way to hell.

You do not understand that the one who was anointed is the same one who did the anointing. Maybe you once knew this. I don't know how many Trins you have met over the years but I talk to a variety of them regularly and I assure you almost ALL of the "Apologist" types believe Oneness Pentecostals are lost.

It is really problematic for Trins and others to have to face THIS as the test of the Christ according to Isaiah.

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

I have no problem saying the Son is the Eternal Father. Every time I do I am fulfilling prophecy! Those who reject it (cannot confess him as Father and Son) are also fulfilling Gods word.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

The doctrine of Christ=A Son who will be called Eternal Father.