Officer Involved Shooting in St. Louis City - Page 2

n david · #11 08-23-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasha

You say that, but I'm thinking there wasn't time to discuss a plan at that point in time. Perhaps someone in the crowd could have distracted that black man while the cops discussed a plan of action.

So you believe the cops are stupid and don't have training to deal with this situation? Too dumb to be able to analyze a situation quickly after arriving on the scene.

Wow. I guess anyone can get a badge these days. I mean, used to be you had to be quick to analyze and adapt to a situation before resorting to violence.

These guys just wanted a live target to shoot at.

Sasha · #12 08-23-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Did you watch the video. He walked towards them. He never threatened to kill them. He said nothing threatening to them, except to ask them to shoot him.

Yeah, he was soooo violent. smh. People walked by him while he paced around on the sidewalk.

21ft is a lot of room. They're also trained to deescalate a situation. And they're supposed to serve and protect. But these days they'd rather just kill someone. It's easier and takes less time.

That's a valid concern, but still worth a try.

That is completely different than what happened here. He wasn't coming at anyone except armed police officers. So your extreme analogy here is off base.

A guy has a knife approaching officers and you don't think that's violent? When was the last time you had someone approach you that way? Would you just stand there since he's not running at you? You believe that a cop should try something else 'just in case' it works? What if is doesn't? Oh well, at least he didn't kill the perp? And you can say my analogy was extreme, but women are officers too. Again, would you blame your wife for shooting the guy dead instead of trying something else to see if there could be a different outcome?

Sasha · #13 08-23-2014, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

So you believe the cops are stupid and don't have training to deal with this situation? Too dumb to be able to analyze a situation quickly after arriving on the scene.

Wow. I guess anyone can get a badge these days. I mean, used to be you had to be quick to analyze and adapt to a situation before resorting to violence.

These guys just wanted a live target to shoot at.

Sure they are trained for different scenarios, but there still has to be communication at the time of the event. If that cop were my husband, I'd rather my husband come home and the perp dead than for him to give his life to save the perp.

Originalist · #14 08-23-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

So you believe the cops are stupid and don't have training to deal with this situation? Too dumb to be able to analyze a situation quickly after arriving on the scene.

Wow. I guess anyone can get a badge these days. I mean, used to be you had to be quick to analyze and adapt to a situation before resorting to violence.

These guys just wanted a live target to shoot at.

Please watch this video. Perhaps it might shed light on why the man with the knife was shot.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1704...-wont-believe/

n david · #15 08-23-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Please watch this video. Perhaps it might shed light on why the man with the knife was shot.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1704...-wont-believe/

Nice try. Only it has nothing to do with this shooting. Is this the best you and Sasha can do to defend this...making up false scenarios and pointing to some other cop shooting?

The only thing which matters is what happened before this shooting. The man is NOT acting violent. Must I post the definition of violent, or can we admit this guy was NOT acting violent?

He was standing on a sidewalk, pacing around while people walked right by him. When the officers arrive, he yells at them....not in a threat to the officers, but a threat against himself! He tells the officers to shoot him.

He has a hand in his front pocket, then pulls it out in front of him. He walks up a slight incline in front of the officers. Again, no threats or action of violence against the officers. They have a clear view of his hands and the pocketknife he's holding.

He's not putting his hands behind his back or anything.

He then walks slowly down towards the officers. And before he's within a dozen yards, they open fire on him.

Then, for added spite, one of them shoots him 3 more times when he's clearly on the ground and not a threat.

We'll obviously disagree on this one. Perhaps I assume too much, in that officers should be able to assess a situation and work to deescalate before shooting to kill. I guess the protect and serve is only for the ones wearing blue.

n david · #16 08-23-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasha

A guy has a knife approaching officers and you don't think that's violent? When was the last time you had someone approach you that way? Would you just stand there since he's not running at you? You believe that a cop should try something else 'just in case' it works? What if is doesn't? Oh well, at least he didn't kill the perp? And you can say my analogy was extreme, but women are officers too. Again, would you blame your wife for shooting the guy dead instead of trying something else to see if there could be a different outcome?

Would approaching a cop with a butter knife be considered a violent act? What about approaching a cop with a concealed weapon? Is that a violent act? I don't believe you know what the word "violent" means.

Sasha · #17 08-24-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Nice try. Only it has nothing to do with this shooting. Is this the best you and Sasha can do to defend this...making up false scenarios and pointing to some other cop shooting?

The only thing which matters is what happened before this shooting. The man is NOT acting violent. Must I post the definition of violent, or can we admit this guy was NOT acting violent?

He was standing on a sidewalk, pacing around while people walked right by him. When the officers arrive, he yells at them....not in a threat to the officers, but a threat against himself! He tells the officers to shoot him.

He has a hand in his front pocket, then pulls it out in front of him. He walks up a slight incline in front of the officers. Again, no threats or action of violence against the officers. They have a clear view of his hands and the pocketknife he's holding.

He's not putting his hands behind his back or anything.

He then walks slowly down towards the officers. And before he's within a dozen yards, they open fire on him.

Then, for added spite, one of them shoots him 3 more times when he's clearly on the ground and not a threat.

We'll obviously disagree on this one. Perhaps I assume too much, in that officers should be able to assess a situation and work to deescalate before shooting to kill. I guess the protect and serve is only for the ones wearing blue.

I don't know where you are getting your info, but for one, he was about 4 feet, not more than a dozen yards, before they opened fire. If he was that far away, his body wouldn't be resting at the feet of the officer shooting him when he landed.

As for acting violent, do you not think someone with a weapon in their hand poses a threat, regardless if they are acting violent? Would you not call the cops if you saw a man steal from a store then go out in the public arena with a knife in his hand?

Personally, I don't believe the man had real intentions of killing either officer. I think for some reason, he was wanting a 'suicide by cop' way out. But at the end of the day, those officers went home and they were safe. There have been officers killed trying to to the 'right thing' for the perp and they lost. So did their families. I dont' think that was right.

Sasha · #18 08-24-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Would approaching a cop with a butter knife be considered a violent act? What about approaching a cop with a concealed weapon? Is that a violent act? I don't believe you know what the word "violent" means.

One doesn't have to be violent to pose a threat.