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11-15-2014, 09:56 PM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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Calvary was prior to his glorification. Thus his human spirit was just as limited as ours and left his body. The human spirit was glorified with the rest of his humanity and now operates in total union with the divine Spirit of God as one Spirit.
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Amen.
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11-16-2014, 02:38 AM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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He definitely had a distinct HUMAN SPIRIT. Otherwise this verse makes no sense:
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. |
Certainly. "Spirit" in scriptures can mean a lot of different things, coming from the word for wind in greek. In some cases it means Life"..to "give up the ghost" meant "to die"
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-16-2014, 08:23 AM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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Certainly. "Spirit" in scriptures can mean a lot of different things, coming from the word for wind in greek. In some cases it means Life"..to "give up the ghost" meant "to die"
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What would be the significance to commending one's breath?
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11-17-2014, 07:19 PM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
Thanks for the impute.
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11-20-2014, 11:31 AM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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He definitely had a distinct HUMAN SPIRIT. Otherwise this verse makes no sense:
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. |
I agree. The language of this text would imply that Jesus has a human spirit that is distinct (but not separate) from the Father. However, based on what you told me in an earlier thread... Jesus may have used this language not meaning entirely what it implies. According to you, the wording would only be necessary based on Christ's "mode" of being. Therefore, the "my spirit" (which implies distinction) may not imply a distinction after all. Christ's spirit may indeed by the Father's very own Spirit without distinction of any kind.
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11-20-2014, 11:33 AM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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What would be the significance to commending one's breath?
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I've come to believe that this is the ancient's way of describing one's "living essence" which was symbolized or seen in one's natural breath, as natural breathing relates to being alive. Not literally the breath in their lungs.
That's my understanding.
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11-20-2014, 12:18 PM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost" ( Luke 23:48).
It is my opinion that the words "spirit" and "ghost" within this passage implies one and the selfsame thing: the "breath of life."
Therefore when Christ Jesus cried aloud, saying to the Spirit "into thy hand I COMMEND my spirit," what He was implying was that He was "giving up, delivering over, or committing" to the Father His "breath" (the English word "commend" being derived from the Greek word "paradidomi" which has the same meaning).
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11-21-2014, 05:30 PM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I agree. The language of this text would imply that Jesus has a human spirit that is distinct (but not separate) from the Father. However, based on what you told me in an earlier thread... Jesus may have used this language not meaning entirely what it implies. According to you, the wording would only be necessary based on Christ's "mode" of being. Therefore, the "my spirit" (which implies distinction) may not imply a distinction after all. Christ's spirit may indeed by the Father's very own Spirit without distinction of any kind.
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If the spirit of Christ is not distinct at all from the Father's Spirit, then Christ was not a genuine human being.
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11-21-2014, 08:13 PM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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Certainly. "Spirit" in scriptures can mean a lot of different things, coming from the word for wind in greek. In some cases it means Life"..to "give up the ghost" meant "to die"
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What would be the significance to commending one's breath?
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I really have no idea what you are asking.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-21-2014, 08:19 PM
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Re: The Human Spirit of Jesus?
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I really have no idea what you are asking.
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For the bible to quote Him saying that, and it was only Him saying He is losing his breath in death, seems a little redundant.
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